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Old 03-18-2014, 05:57 PM
 
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TURKEY: under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey


TURKEY: under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey | Voices of Ukraine
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Old 03-18-2014, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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And if all old treaties are to be strictly enforced, a lot of people might have to give up their homes in the US to make way for a casino!
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:03 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Crimea voted to secede. So did South Ossetia a few years ago.

South Ossetia voted to break away from Georgia. Celebration. Flags. Champagne. Promises.

It has not gone well. Men wearing unmarked uniforms are building fences and not permitting travel the same way North Korea and South Korea do.

Crimea forgot that they do no generate their own power; do not have their own gas. But Putin knows that. So now he will have to take over the areas where electricity and gas are generated.
This will not end well.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:03 AM
 
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TURKEY: under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey

TURKEY: under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey | Voices of Ukraine
It also appears to implicitly state here that this treaty is no longer valid due to it being created/signed/implemented during Tsarist Russian rule:

1921 ???? ???????? ????????????

According to the translation of Article VI, it goes like this:

Article VI

Both Contracting Parties agree that all contracts heretofore entered into between the two parties meet mutual interests. They therefore agree to accept these contracts canceled and void.

Government of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic declares, in particular, that it considers Turkey free from all her money or other obligations based on international instruments previously concluded between Turkey and the tsarist government.
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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TURKEY: under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey


TURKEY: under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey | Voices of Ukraine
The Ottoman Empire no longer exists, not for about 100 years, besides what the poster above pointed out.
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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Crimea voted to secede. So did South Ossetia a few years ago.

South Ossetia voted to break away from Georgia. Celebration. Flags. Champagne. Promises.

It has not gone well. Men wearing unmarked uniforms are building fences and not permitting travel the same way North Korea and South Korea do.

Crimea forgot that they do no generate their own power; do not have their own gas. But Putin knows that. So now he will have to take over the areas where electricity and gas are generated.
This will not end well.
Sout Ossetia and Abkhazia never belonged to Georgia, not even during Soviet times. Georgia made a claim on the areas as the USSR broke apart; quite different than the Crimea situation.

I have no idea why the world holds so valuable borders created by people like Stalin; common sense would state that borders would be redrawn and negotiated after the USSR broke apart.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Sout Ossetia and Abkhazia never belonged to Georgia, not even during Soviet times. Georgia made a claim on the areas as the USSR broke apart; quite different than the Crimea situation.

I have no idea why the world holds so valuable borders created by people like Stalin; common sense would state that borders would be redrawn and negotiated after the USSR broke apart.
Can't dispute what you say. But there was a vote. And a celebration after the vote. So, some people felt as if they were under the Georgian law, and they felt they would be happier under Russian protection and law. So they voted. Like Crimea.

Maybe Crimea will come out OK. I certainly hope so. But that nagging problem of power and water and gas still lingers.
Will Crimea buy power from Ukraine? I hope so. Because the alternative is to just take over the Eastern side of the country. And then, maybe the west.....
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Manila
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Sout Ossetia and Abkhazia never belonged to Georgia, not even during Soviet times. Georgia made a claim on the areas as the USSR broke apart; quite different than the Crimea situation.

I have no idea why the world holds so valuable borders created by people like Stalin; common sense would state that borders would be redrawn and negotiated after the USSR broke apart.
True! One of the dumbest mistakes that the leaders at the collapse of the Soviet Union was to not properly redraw the borders of the constituent nations...
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