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Old 04-28-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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Outcry, denouncement, and action against all bigotry and discrimination needs be as forthcoming regardless of who the intended target is.
Does being in a constant state of moral and social outrage and/or permanently being offended stress you out alot? I imagine it would be very draining, particularly when searching out new reasons to be outraged. I only worry about things that affect me or my immediate family and friends and that can be quite a bit of stress in and of itself.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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In all fairness though the NAACP hasn't done much pot banging or mountain top shouting for the LGBT community or Mexican immigrant's either and I find that just as discouraging.

But this is where "I" thought the LGBT community stood on a higher platform because it encompasses all races and genders and would be the new voice for equality and speak out against all discrimination. You can't point to one specific race or gender as the backbone or focus of the LBGT movement for equality and that's what makes it so special. It should fight for all because it contains all.

I've taken on a bully or two for gay classmates, Asian Americans being picked on, or disabled people being harassed and made fun of publicly on the light rail. Regardless if I'm the target or not I don't condone or ignore unwarranted acts of aggression or discrimination against others. Period.

If you don't fight for them all we all lose in the end, as a society, as decent people.

Silence is golden, if you've just found gold.... not when you see an injustice.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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Does being in a constant state of moral and social outrage and/or permanently being offended stress you out alot? I imagine it would be very draining, particularly when searching out new reasons to be outraged. I only worry about things that affect me or my immediate family and friends and that can be quite a bit of stress in and of itself.
Nothing stressful about observing your political, social environment and speaking about it, especially if its unfair.

Stress is a byproduct of hesitation, inaction and fear.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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if every advocacy group protested every injustice, what would be the purpose of having issue advocacy groups? you would just have "injustice groups" and they would protest any injustice to anybody.

I basically agree with the person that said by going after everything, they dilute their capacity to address the issue that they were created for. im sure they all have opinions on other issues and personally support wronged people, but they don't have the ability (or rights based on donors who donated for a specific issue) to fight every battle.
Many hands make light work.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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The comments made by Sterling were in a private conversation which some golddigger decided to make public. Period. He's a gross-looking old man who took on an equally gross-looking mistress. She looks like a pre-op tranny. Did he seriously think she wanted anything from him other than his money?
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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Just like politics this's issue is all about hypocrisy plain and simple. There is a team in Washington called the REDSKINS!, they have White, Black, Asian, Gay, and probably some Native American fans, but what about those Native Americans fans who are offended by the Redskin name?......

How would it go over if the Redskins were called Honkies, Negros, Homos, or Wet backs? Every race, religion, ethnicity, sexuality, whatever, should be treated fairly without discrimination but how can that start to happen when in our nations capital the football team is a deragortory term for a Native American.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:58 PM
 
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Exactly my point CaptainNJ. Classification by race or sexual preference shouldn't exist.

The only classification should be American, not African, gay, disabled, elderly, southern, Muslim, Mexican.

Classification is the 1st step in discrimination. Once classified, the ground rules can be set as far as how a particular class can be treated. Treat them like American citizens regardless.
Human beings come in a variety of colors and cultures. Are we to ignore what's right in front of our eyes? Are we to ignore the special richness of each culture?

Statements like yours are naive at best.

Human nature is human nature. Unfortunately, discrimination (in some form) is a part of that. Not saying it's right. It just...is. Even YOU discriminate in some form.
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Old 04-28-2014, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I'm finding it a little discouraging that the LGBT community has not come out and publicly denounced Donald Sterling and called for his resignation as they did with Brendan Eich.

All it took was a $1000 donation from Brendan Eich to get him removed as CEO of Mozilla yet here you cleary have an employer discriminating against minorities and the LGBT community is silent?

I wonder how fast he would've been skewered had he told his girlfriend not to bring any gay male friends or lesbian women friends to his games? I see no difference between that and what he actually said as they are both equally offensive and disgusting forms of discrimination and bigotry.

But I guess as long as he doesn't use the F word, H word or D word the LGBT community has no opinion or interest?

I support all minorities or people who are discriminated against because of their sexuality, race, religion, or geographic origin. Like people from the south, white and black, who don't get a fair shake because some bigoted employer who ignorantly correlates a southern accent to a sign of low intelligence. Furthest thing from the truth and it's not fair to treat them differently or deny them employment for saying y'all or whatum fixinta or tryna do.
(Lived in Lexington, Ky for 5 years)

Yet I'm amazed at the lack of outcry from the LGBT community over the "actual words" from the mouth of Donald Sterling, and the "implied intent" of the $1000.00 donation made by Brendan Eich.

I've fully supported the LGBT community at rallies, protests and parades before it was the popular thing to do. I've participated in AIDS awareness functions and helped clients who've died from AIDS yet the call to respond to all injustices they could lend their message of equality and acceptance to seem to go unanswered.

A terrorist attack in Florida is an attack on America, an attack in Kansas is an attack on America.

An attack against any minority is an attack against all minorities. We're all Americans, plain and simple.

Outcry, denouncement, and action against all bigotry and discrimination needs be as forthcoming regardless of who the intended target is. Or maybe fighting for causes that don't directly affect or pertain to me (gay rights) no longer deserve my open support.

And please, if you're going to respond to this lets have an open, intelligent dialogue and save the sarcasm and one liners class clowns still use to disguise their learning deficiencies. Share your opinion, not just your opinion of my opinion. What do YOU think, I've already expressed what I think.

*Experiment to see if the reversal of the G and B in the organizations title draws more reaction, outcry.
Actually, most of the people who called for Eich to resign were employees of Mozilla - not LGBT organizations.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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First of all, TL;DR but doesn't matter because my response would be the same anyways:

A lot of people are angry about the Sterling thing, including probably the majority of gays that heard the story by now. They denounce it as individuals, I'm sure, so why should their entity for an unrelated cause make a statement? Even if they did, who cares? Do you think every LGBT person on earth would be involved in this committee anyways?

Where's the carpenter's opinion on Sterling? What are the ants doing about this issue? Have the Ajurú people of Roraima state, Brazil had their say yet?
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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It's a good thing society hasn't taken that approach towards LGBT rights. Not my fight. A lot of straight people including myself support their demands for change and equality.

I fight with them for changes that won't affect me personally as a straight (not narrow) male.

You can't cherry pick which forms of discrimination are acceptable or worth fighting. All discrimination must be fought equally.
You're confusing organizations and people.

Plenty of gay people are opposed to Sterling. That doesn't mean LGBT organizations have to issue a statement.

Does the NAACP have an official position on gay rights? Do they campaign for marriage equality? I don't think so... Yet many black people support gay rights.
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