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Old 05-01-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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Most on death row have been sitting around and eating up tax dollars for years. Their sentence should be carried out in 30 days. Appeals? If not within 30 days, too bad. I wouldn't expect more if it were me and it was the law. How many people are executed in a decade as it is? Very few. Ramp it up and make them public.

Hanging is quick and efficient. A 10-15' drop would end all of the humane nonsense. How is killing someone humane anyway? Ask the murderer that question before you put the noose around his neck.
You'd favor thirty days of appeals until your friend or a relative ended up on death row. Than you'd squawk like crazy to change the system.

Our current system is flawed and the best evidence is that 4% of the people on death row are innocent. If we didn't have a long appeals process than those people would be dead. However, who cares? Just so long as we execute somebody for a crime its all right isn't it? Geez.

I can cite half a dozen instances of innocent people who only established their innocence during the last round of appeals they were entitled too. Our system is about more than simply killing somebody. Its about seeing that we actually execute the right person after a murder has been convicted. In the "lynch mob" mentality that I see here, a lot of you seem to have lost sight of that simple fact.

The idea that you can run a competent system with thirty days of appeals is so stupid its barely worth a reply too.
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:57 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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And others of us find opinions like yours and the existence of the death penalty to be an "embarrassment."

You are what - the mind of God, now? You know that this individual in hell? Perhaps he was a Christian and he repented.

Then according to Christianity, he's saved.

Upon what moral authority does Warren Zee base his embarrassment of that which God commanded?


"Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind."
- Genesis 9:6 NIV


Life in prison? Not according to God.

"Do not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who deserves to die. They are to be put to death."
Numbers 35:31 NIV
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Are you sick? Why would you want to terrify anyone? Does that thought make you happy?

Think about what you are saying. Because is sounds awful.
The South has always seemed to take particular glee in killing its citizens, legally (with capital punishment) or illegally (the KKK). They even like to give pet names to their instruments of death, like "old sparky". What is ironic, or perhaps telling, is that the South also is known for strong Christian values. How Christian values are reconciled with killing (er, executing) people is beyond me.
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:32 PM
 
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And others of us find opinions like yours and the existence of the death penalty to be an "embarrassment."

You are what - the mind of God, now? You know that this individual in hell? Perhaps he was a Christian and he repented.

Then according to Christianity, he's saved.
I have to be the mind of god to know that a person who commits a rape and a live burial belongs in hell? Really, could you be anymore or a puerile snob?

Terrific logic. We shouldn't have reciprocal justice on this earth because he might have repented.

Whatever.
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:52 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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How Christian values are reconciled with killing (er, executing) people is beyond me.
Start in Genesis, and keep going through the end of Romans. It won't be beyond you anymore.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Start in Genesis, and keep going through the end of Romans. It won't be beyond you anymore.
"Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"? That is the Old Testament. Jesus preached a better way for humans to treat each other.

Romans in the New Testament of course has: "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the lord". In other words, God is the one to mete out punishment.

So how is the death penalty consistent with the teachings of Jesus?
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:06 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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The South has always seemed to take particular glee in killing its citizens, legally (with capital punishment)
Ron White - Death Penalty - Blue Collar comedy tour: the movie - YouTube
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:17 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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"Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"? That is the Old Testament. Jesus preached a better way for humans to treat each other.
Back up two verses, to verse 28:

"Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses." - Hebrews 10:28 NIV


And don't be so quick to dismiss the Old Testament.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:17-19 NIV
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:23 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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In other words, God is the one to mete out punishment.
"Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind." Genesis 9:6 NIV



Notice that in Exodus, God does not say "I will cause him to fall dead," rather, He commands humans to carry out His instructions.

"Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death." - Exodus 21:12

"But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death." - Exodux 21:14
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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Ick. The replies to this thread are quite unfortunate. #sad
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