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Old 05-04-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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Ralph, I said a trained professional in recognizing mental health issues in schools. Not teachers. Similar to a counselor in that they can be involved behavior issues. Just bringing an awareness to parents, faculty, and community would be a benefit in my opinion. I'm only suggesting this as a possible avenue. Clearly, we have issues in the US, and our rates of these types of violent acts is well above averages of other countries in the world.
We can certainly provide information to parents on what to watch for and then what actions to take, and hope that parents listen and act. But nobody in the school system will have anywhere near the time and access to do anything much more than commit blunders with the small amount of observation time they have with any single kid.

OTOH, perhaps such professionals can also teach school officials how to observe and avoid situations that feed into such situations. For instance, after the Columbine incident, it was revealed the level of hallway bullying allowed by school officials was clearly egregious. They might have been unaware that it could lead to violence, but it was egregious for high school officials to allow students to be so humiliated in any case.

But that goes on today, even in "good" schools. My daughter attended a teaching university "laboratory" high school. Admission was by application and selection, and the policy of the school was to allow the students to "self-govern." By that policy, one action that occurred frequently in the halls were mock "gang mountings" of the sports teams upon some non-jock boy. Yeah, they forceably bent kids over and mock gang-raped them in the hallway...in full view of faculty.

I can guaran-doggone-tee you there would have been gunplay the next day if that had happened to me when I was in high school. And this was a decade after Columbine.

So if it takes a professional specialist to teach faculty that such things are inadvisable to permit, then yes, provide those professional specialists.
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Old 05-04-2014, 12:41 AM
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One reason why Adam Lanza hasn't been copycatted is that he invaded an elementary school. What they choose to invade depends on where they got bullied. When kids old enough to do a massacre get bullied, it's usually in a high school. Adam Lanza felt that his mother was being unfair to him, so he attacked the place where she did volunteer work, after killing her. He may have felt that she loved those elementary kids more than she loved him, and may have felt that was unfair. But it's very unlikely for another perp to have that exact same situation. The Columbine situation is a lot more common.

I don't believe kids do it to become famous. It's more like a suicide pact, with carnage added as a bonus. Not to become famous, but to commit suicide. Not because of what people will think and remember, but just because they don't want to live anymore, and would like to use that opportunity to get some revenge. After all, if you're going to commit suicide, how can you be punished? The worst punishment is the death penalty. So, from their point of view, it's a risk-free bonus, to get revenge while committing suicide.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:19 AM
 
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What is driving our young white males to commit or plan such heinous crimes at school? I know what drives young minorities (males) to commit violence in the streets, but in school is another monster all together. Why is this school shooting trend continuing to get worse and grow more popular with our young white males? Media coverage?

I know Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold probably never entered this guys mind but that's who I pictured when I read this.

It's not about race, it's about society as a whole. What the hell are we teaching, instilling in our youth?

When did it become OK to stab a girl for turning you down after asking her to the prom?

Where is this mindset being learned/ taught? American Modrassas? That is what WE as a society need to figure out and eradicate.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:23 AM
 
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But that goes on today, even in "good" schools. My daughter attended a teaching university "laboratory" high school. Admission was by application and selection, and the policy of the school was to allow the students to "self-govern." By that policy, one action that occurred frequently in the halls were mock "gang mountings" of the sports teams upon some non-jock boy. Yeah, they forceably bent kids over and mock gang-raped them in the hallway...in full view of faculty.
This sort of thing has a long sordid history in upper crust private schools. Especially in the UK.

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Old 05-04-2014, 01:24 AM
 
Location: NY
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One reason why Adam Lanza hasn't been copycatted is that he invaded an elementary school. What they choose to invade depends on where they got bullied. When kids old enough to do a massacre get bullied, it's usually in a high school. Adam Lanza felt that his mother was being unfair to him, so he attacked the place where she did volunteer work, after killing her. He may have felt that she loved those elementary kids more than she loved him, and may have felt that was unfair. But it's very unlikely for another perp to have that exact same situation. The Columbine situation is a lot more common.

I don't believe kids do it to become famous. It's more like a suicide pact, with carnage added as a bonus. Not to become famous, but to commit suicide. Not because of what people will think and remember, but just because they don't want to live anymore, and would like to use that opportunity to get some revenge. After all, if you're going to commit suicide, how can you be punished? The worst punishment is the death penalty. So, from their point of view, it's a risk-free bonus, to get revenge while committing suicide.
They don't feel God would punish them for revenge and suicide?
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Old 05-04-2014, 06:13 AM
 
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They don't feel God would punish them for revenge and suicide?
You are assuming they are religious. Most young kids aren't.
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Old 05-04-2014, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am glad he was found out before he harmed anyone. Hiding stuff from parents is easy if they are not paying attention.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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Too early for copycats of that situation. But it's hard to say who is being copied when there are numerous examples around.
I wouldn't say so. There were copycats of Columbine and VT less than a month after they occurred.

Out of curiosity, did Charles Whitman ever inspire copycats? Yes that was before the internet and CNN, but it was the first mass murder ever.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:19 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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I don't think the Columbine parents owned guns.
Eric Harris's father retired from the Air Force three years before Columbine happened and taught his son how to use a firearm. "Major Harris inspired military fantasies, but Eric usually saw himself as a Marine. 'Guns! Boy, I loved playing guns,' he later wrote." -Columbine, Dave Cullen

But there are a lot of teenagers who are exposed to firearms, and they don't shoot up a school. I agree with those who said that the parents of nearly all of these kids were negligent and had no idea what their kids were up to.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: NY
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You are assuming they are religious. Most young kids aren't.
You don't have to be religious to fear this.
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