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Old 05-04-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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So your position is the schools are already failing and this makes the status quo acceptable. Therefore, there's no possible solution, so sticking our heads in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist is better than attempting any solution?
Did you stop reading at the first paragraph? You must have.
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Old 05-04-2014, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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I'll tell you what stops most armed criminals, the thought of someone returning fire.

Has there been or have you ever heard of a gun store being robbed by armed bandits? Not during the day at least, they break in after hours and steal guns but never attempt to take whats in the register during business hours because they know the consequences.

Bandits go after corporate owned convenient stores because they know those stores prohibit the clerk from having a weapon. The neighborhood store owner however, might just have a gun on him so they target the guy at 7/11 or circle K because he's absolutely forbidden to carry a weapon or else risk termination.

Kids know they can go to school and rack up a high body count before anyone capable of returning fire arrives.

They go in with the confidence that no one in that school will be able to stop them except the police or someone with a gun.

What if they had to factor in 15-20 armed teachers or staff members, like those who plan to rob gun stores? They'd think twice before coming to school and expecting to slaughter people and then kill them self because they'd know they might not get a chance to use 10 bullets let alone all 10 clips before the bullets started flying back at them.

Schools will continue to be targeted as long as kids know they'll the be the only one there with a gun if and when they decide to bring one and settle a score.

No fear of returned fire = continued targeting by shooters.
This kid confessed that he WANTED to killed by the police. Suicide by police!
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Old 05-04-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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You don't have to be religious to fear this.
You kind of do. If you are convinced that God is a lie made up by men to control populations, then that's that. There's no fear surrounding it because as far as you are concerned, it's completely false.
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Old 05-04-2014, 04:32 PM
 
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This kid confessed that he WANTED to killed by the police. Suicide by police!
This kid is rare in that sense. Most of these guys are pretty cowardly, and shoot themselves before/just as any resistance shows up. Who's to say this kid wouldn't have ended up doing the same in the moment? It's easy to talk tough beforehand, but when those sirens show up and you know men are coming in to get you, I'd imagine it's different.
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Old 05-04-2014, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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You don't have to be religious to fear this.
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Old 05-04-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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This kid confessed that he WANTED to killed by the police. Suicide by police!
That's because he knew they'd be the only people on campus able to shoot back! If not it would be suicide by teacher or faculty staff member. This confirms my assumption that "he knew" only himself or an armed officer would be able to stop him once he got on campus.

And if he knew that he probably knew he had 5-10 uninterrupted minutes to get off however many rounds he could before he had to worry about incoming rounds.

They go in with the confidence that no one in that school will be able to stop them except the police or someone with a gun.
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Old 05-04-2014, 05:45 PM
 
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That's because he knew they'd be the only people on campus able to shoot back! If not it would be suicide by teacher or faculty staff member. This confirms my assumption that "he knew" only himself or an armed officer would be able to stop him once he got on campus.

And if he knew that he probably knew he had 5-10 uninterrupted minutes to get off however many rounds he could before he had to worry about incoming rounds.

They go in with the confidence that no one in that school will be able to stop them except the police or someone with a gun.
yep, and this a-hole was planning on creating a diversion to draw all the police away and give him more time to slaughter innocents. So lucky he was caught, I think this would've been a really bad shooting otherwise.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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One reason why Adam Lanza hasn't been copycatted is that he invaded an elementary school. What they choose to invade depends on where they got bullied. When kids old enough to do a massacre get bullied, it's usually in a high school. Adam Lanza felt that his mother was being unfair to him, so he attacked the place where she did volunteer work, after killing her. He may have felt that she loved those elementary kids more than she loved him, and may have felt that was unfair. But it's very unlikely for another perp to have that exact same situation. The Columbine situation is a lot more common.

I don't believe kids do it to become famous. It's more like a suicide pact, with carnage added as a bonus. Not to become famous, but to commit suicide. Not because of what people will think and remember, but just because they don't want to live anymore, and would like to use that opportunity to get some revenge. After all, if you're going to commit suicide, how can you be punished? The worst punishment is the death penalty. So, from their point of view, it's a risk-free bonus, to get revenge while committing suicide.
In other words, a couple of disgruntled teens who wanted revenge for being bullied have a larger "target audience" of followers and people who identify with them than a socially inept mama's boy who was obsessed with researching and outdoing every mass shooting ever.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:22 PM
 
Location: NJ
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But don't you see that Adam Lanza's mother was a major incompetent? She allowed him to have guns! She knew he was an oddball (at best). She was a terrible, irresponsible mother. She is to blame as well as her son. She didn't want to hear it that guns were dangerous, especially in the hands of her son. Case closed.
I was disgusted by politicians who first reported 27 Sandy Hook victims. Thankfully, they corrected it. There were 26 and one accomplice, Lanza's breeder (a/k/a mother).
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: NJ
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What if they had to factor in 15-20 armed teachers or staff members, like those who plan to rob gun stores? They'd think twice before coming to school and expecting to slaughter people and then kill them self because they'd know they might not get a chance to use 10 bullets let alone all 10 clips before the bullets started flying back at them.

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One cannot teach in an environment more fitting a CCA prison, as you describe above.
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