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Old 05-11-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Another FAIL. Go back and research this.
You need to research: (and this may be the reason for the slow reluctant response from the liberals -- Hillary supported this group)

Gingrich: Hillary Clinton absent on Boko Haram terrorism designation? - CNN.com

"What Clinton didn't mention was that her own State Department refused to place Boko Haram on the list of foreign terrorist organizations in 2011, after the group bombed the UN headquarters in Abuja. The refusal came despite the urging of the Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, and over a dozen Senators and Congressmen.

"'The one thing she could have done, the one tool she had at her disposal, she didn't use. And nobody can say she wasn't urged to do it. It's gross hypocrisy,' said a former senior U.S. official who was involved in the debate. 'The FBI, the CIA, and the Justice Department really wanted Boko Haram designated, they wanted the authorities that would provide to go after them, and they voiced that repeatedly to elected officials.'
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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You need to research: (and this may be the reason for the slow reluctant response from the liberals -- Hillary supported this group)
Absurd.

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Gingrich: Hillary Clinton absent on Boko Haram terrorism designation? - CNN.com

"What Clinton didn't mention was that her own State Department refused to place Boko Haram on the list of foreign terrorist organizations in 2011, after the group bombed the UN headquarters in Abuja. The refusal came despite the urging of the Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, and over a dozen Senators and Congressmen.

"'The one thing she could have done, the one tool she had at her disposal, she didn't use. And nobody can say she wasn't urged to do it. It's gross hypocrisy,' said a former senior U.S. official who was involved in the debate. 'The FBI, the CIA, and the Justice Department really wanted Boko Haram designated, they wanted the authorities that would provide to go after them, and they voiced that repeatedly to elected officials.'
Not surprising that Gingrich is merely repeating the bleating from the far right. If you have been following along you will realize this silly oversimplification and Monday morning quarterbacking has been proven incorrect since then.

Here (below) is the criteria for a group to be designated as a terrorist organization (as per the US Patriot Act), and obviously these guys did not meet the criteria "must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security". They were a group of local thugs, and an official designation would have done nothing but give them world wide recognition among Anti-US organizations, who might have been encouraged to fund Boko Harem, and that would have been counter productive. It is nave to think designation would have stopped these guys from doing what they do.


Legal criteria for designation



(Reflecting Amendments to Section 219 of the INA in the 2001 USA PATRIOT Act)
  • It must be a foreign organization.
  • The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1182(a) (3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. 2656f(d) (2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
  • The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.
(h/t Finn)

Hillary Clinton’s handling of Boko Haram: Are critics justified? - CBS News

Here's Why Hillary Clinton Resisted Designating Boko Haram As A Terrorist Organization | ThinkProgress
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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So you agree that these girls should be abandoned by our government because the Islamic group that had kidnapped (and probably killed them by now) isn't really anything to do with US nationals or US national security?

That IS our government's rational for not doing anything about them --- not earlier and not now. They'd be hypocrits I suppose to speak out now --- beyond a little "that's not nice" whining.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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So you agree that these girls should be abandoned by our government because the Islamic group that had kidnapped (and probably killed them by now) isn't really anything to do with US nationals or US national security?

That IS our government's rational for not doing anything about them --- not earlier and not now. They'd be hypocrits I suppose to speak out now --- beyond a little "that's not nice" whining.
What the heck are you rambling on about. Boko Haram did not meet the criteria at the time, so wasn't placed on the list. Once the activities of the group changed it met the criteria and was placed on the list. Can you not read?

Our government is doing something. Good grief you are frustrating.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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So you agree that these girls should be abandoned by our government because the Islamic group that had kidnapped (and probably killed them by now) isn't really anything to do with US nationals or US national security?

That IS our government's rational for not doing anything about them --- not earlier and not now. They'd be hypocrits I suppose to speak out now --- beyond a little "that's not nice" whining.
Ridiculous. The US was not previously involved, because despite repeated offers to aid in the search, Nigerian officials did not accept help until a couple of days ago.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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What the heck are you rambling on about. Boko Haram did not meet the criteria at the time, so wasn't placed on the list. Once the activities of the group changed it met the criteria and was placed on the list. Can you not read?

Our government is doing something. Good grief you are frustrating.
Are you a member of CAIR?
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:26 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Mohammed himself endorsed this action -- Mohammed and his fellow slaughterers would always kidnap the widows of the men they killed and rape them. Mohammed's favorite "wife" was a 6 year old girl. When people worship such a man, they obviously would support the things he did.

Another thing is these idiots don't want girls to be educated,but their prophet Muhammad was illiterate,as are the vast majority of Muslims, and they wouldn't even have the Qu'ran if it wasn't for his wife writing it!
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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And Eve had sex with her sons. Are we going to go down this road?
This is a current issue not ancient history(If you believe that Eve existed). Unfortunately(currently), the Quran and Sharia law specifically codon, and even give direction, on slavery, abuse against woman, and non-Muslims, that is incompatible with the West. Islamist can just point to the Quran and and Sharia, which is officially the law in many countries, to validate their view: Application of sharia law by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In 2003 and 2004, the court [European Court of Human Rights] ruled that "that sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy" (13/02/2003) ., because the sharia rules on inheritance, women rights and religious freedom violate human rights as established in the European Convention on Human Rights.
European Court of Human Rights (ECHR)
Cambridge Encyclopedia, Vol. 24"

"The House of Lords today drew stark attention to the conflict between sharia and UK law, calling the Islamic legal code "wholly incompatible" with human rights legislation. The remarks came as the Lords considered the case of a woman who, if she was sent back to Lebanon, would be obliged under sharia law to hand over custody of her 12-year-old son to a man who beat her, threw her off a balcony and, on one occasion, attempted to strangle her.
Sharia law incompatible with human rights legislation, Lords say
Afua Hirsch, legal affairs correspondent, The Guardian, October 23, 2008"
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Old 05-11-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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This is a current issue not ancient history(If you believe that Eve existed). Unfortunately(currently), the Quran and Sharia law specifically codon, and even give direction, on slavery, abuse against woman, and non-Muslims, that is incompatible with the West. Islamist can just point to the Quran and and Sharia, which is officially the law in many countries, to validate their view: Application of sharia law by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In 2003 and 2004, the court [European Court of Human Rights] ruled that "that sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy" (13/02/2003) ., because the sharia rules on inheritance, women rights and religious freedom violate human rights as established in the European Convention on Human Rights.
European Court of Human Rights (ECHR)
Cambridge Encyclopedia, Vol. 24"

"The House of Lords today drew stark attention to the conflict between sharia and UK law, calling the Islamic legal code "wholly incompatible" with human rights legislation. The remarks came as the Lords considered the case of a woman who, if she was sent back to Lebanon, would be obliged under sharia law to hand over custody of her 12-year-old son to a man who beat her, threw her off a balcony and, on one occasion, attempted to strangle her.
Sharia law incompatible with human rights legislation, Lords say
Afua Hirsch, legal affairs correspondent, The Guardian, October 23, 2008"

We also cannot leave out 'ABROGATION'[to cancel or repeal,replace] in the Qu'ran either!

Ahmad, Allah, and Abrogation

The Problem of Abrogation in the Quran
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Old 05-11-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Are you a member of CAIR?
No. Are you?
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