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Old 05-08-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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NO ONE without an education or skills deserves more than the very minimal of minimum wages. They certainly don't deserve $15 an hour, they don't even deserve $10.

What is so difficult to understand that it isn't the obligation of corporate America to subsidize those in the work force who are too lazy to improve their skills. Corporations will and do pay excellent wages and benefits for skilled and educated workers.
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Old 05-08-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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"NO ONE without an education or skills deserves more than the very minimal of minimum wages. They certainly don't deserve $15 an hour, they don't even deserve $10."

I can agree with that.

If they did have a high school diploma and even went to college for a little bit and maybe McD's is their second job, would you say that they should get paid more?
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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NO ONE without an education or skills deserves more than the very minimal of minimum wages. They certainly don't deserve $15 an hour, they don't even deserve $10.

What is so difficult to understand that it isn't the obligation of corporate America to subsidize those in the work force who are too lazy to improve their skills. Corporations will and do pay excellent wages and benefits for skilled and educated workers.
You really don't get it do you? These people are doing jobs that exist and will always exist. Yet they aren't paid enough to live.

If every fast food worker got "skills" they would not all get better jobs. In fact there are many people with degrees working in those service jobs already. The job market isn't based on workers' needs. Those menial jobs will ALWAYS exist and they have to pay a living wage.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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Not at all. McD's jobs are low end unskilled work that doesn't deserve $15 an hour.

No one should be working in fast food to earn a living..its a part-time job to put a few extra bucks in your pocket, not to support yourself or a family
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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If they did have a high school diploma and even went to college for a little bit and maybe McD's is their second job, would you say that they should get paid more?
No one is "owed" more than they are worth or can produce.

Should a guy who sits around on his azz, does nothing and has a Masters Degree get paid more than than a less educated person ?

It's all about skills and work ethic.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Atlanta Metro
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NO ONE without an education or skills deserves more than the very minimal of minimum wages. They certainly don't deserve $15 an hour, they don't even deserve $10.

What is so difficult to understand that it isn't the obligation of corporate America to subsidize those in the work force who are too lazy to improve their skills. Corporations will and do pay excellent wages and benefits for skilled and educated workers.
You're assuming that $15/hr is some sort of really good pay, and not a minimal wage. It was, about 40 years ago, when that's what union carpenters made, in CO (in Chicago it was $22/hr), but not today. Do you feel CEOs who do crummy jobs "deserve" millions in pay & their golden parachutes? This is life, and I know, I'd rather see hard-working people make enough to at least provide food and shelter, than millionaires making more millions no matter how terrible job they do.

Why should we, the taxpayers subsidize billion dollar corporations, so they can pay very low wages?

Why is it we tend to only look downward, when we judge who "deserves" this or that, and rarely look up? Let's drug test people getting food stamps, but do nothing for those getting millions, even billions (if corporations truly are "people" too), from the government? It's like our war on drugs, we arrest & incarcerate millions of nickel & dime sellers/users, while the big fish never get hit...
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Not at all. McD's jobs are low end unskilled work that doesn't deserve $15 an hour.

No one should be working in fast food to earn a living..its a part-time job to put a few extra bucks in your pocket, not to support yourself or a family
Except it IS the way many people earn a living. There aren't enough good jobs for everyone to get one. Did you forget how the captains of industry sent all the manufacturing jobs to China?


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Old 05-08-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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NO ONE without an education or skills deserves more than the very minimal of minimum wages. They certainly don't deserve $15 an hour, they don't even deserve $10.

What is so difficult to understand that it isn't the obligation of corporate America to subsidize those in the work force who are too lazy to improve their skills. Corporations will and do pay excellent wages and benefits for skilled and educated workers.
It all depends on the job.

Our base pay is $18 to start.....no education required.....just willing to work.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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We did not want heavy industry in the US.....now it is gone.
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Old 05-08-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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The Economic Policy Institute?...you mean the George Soros funded dis-information tank.

Once again..it is not fair to make corporations pay an unfair wage to unskilled/uneducated workers.
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