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Old 06-17-2014, 10:50 AM
 
Location: On the corner of Grey Street
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It's not disdain, it's simply a matter of personal responsibility.

I read the story of the grasshopper and ant and come to the conclusion that it's up to the ant to decide if he wants to help the grasshopper.

You read that story and say it's not fair that the ant has so much and he should be forced to give the fruits of his labor to the grasshopper.

BTW, I hope that people see this. I hope they understand those pushing for "universal healthcare" will believe that the drug addict recently released from prison who was convicted or raping a child should be just as entitled to the kidney needed by the teacher living next door to you.
What a crap thing to say from someone who obviously has NO clue what life is like for a lot of people out in the real world. Is everyone entitled to iPhones and flat screen TV's? No. Are people entitled to quality health care when they need it - yes absolutely. I know lots of responsible people who don't have health insurance because they cannot afford it. And then when something happens to them they are financially ruined trying to pay their medical bills. These are people who work full time with families. I also know people WITH health insurance who are drowning in medical bills. It's not like you pay nothing even if you do have it.

The lack of compassion and understanding by some people on this issue is amazing to me. And very sad. May you never be sick or find yourself in hard times where you need the compassion and help of others.
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Of course it's crappy.

Yesterday, everyone all the way up to the director of my company had their phones blown up by the hospital administration. Why? Because of inadequate care? Because three lives had been saved? Because the ER people were busting ass seeing a deluge of ambulances?

No.

Because the time on the screen on the hospital advertising exceeded 30 minutes. For this we get bullied, yelled at, demeaned, and threatened.

THAT is the direction of health care.

I'll stick with an apple a day.
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:55 AM
 
Location: NYC
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For the world's largest economy our healthcare system is a disgrace unless one is very wealthy. Germany, Switzerland, Japan et al., aren't "socialist" economies & they have affordable access to top notch healthcare for everyone. And the European democratic socialist countries always top the charts when it comes to healthcare, primary & secondary education & happiness measurements.

It's patently obvious most American's confuse socialism with communism.
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA/Seattle, WA
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you forgot or die!

Again that is exactly why our healthcare system is one of the worst in the world, it is all about profit not making people well.
Heck, how about you pay for my car insurance, rental insurance, pet insurance, while you're at it?
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Originally Posted by i_love_autumn View Post
The latest Commonwealth report on health care ranks the US last among 11 countries again.
The latest look at the U.S. health care system compared to other rich countries shows yet again that the United States comes in dead last.

No surprise here.

We're Last! Again! U.S. Health Care Ranks Poorly - NBC News
Not this crap again.

If you rate a non-Socialist health care system on how Socialized it is, it comes in low.

Believe me, if you had cancer you don't want to be anywhere but here.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: USA
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"U.S. RANKED Last In Health Care "
Not my impression. I have great health care. I can see my doctor on the same day, often. Out of pocket is minimal. No complaints here.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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Heck, how about you pay for my car insurance, rental insurance, pet insurance, while you're at it?
You're going to compare health care, which is a NEED, to cars or pets which are CHOICES? That comparison couldn't get more ridiculous, congrats!
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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The WHO just won't give up.

I guess that latest report (a regurgitation of their almost annual whining) correlating longevity to health care was supposed to be funny. Who knew that health care was the only thing that affected longevity?

Here's a renegade idea--let's examine "outcomes" at the point the disease (cancer, ie) is diagnosed (intervention) or the "event" (stroke, heart attack) occurs. The CONCORD report did just that back in 2008 (hasn't been updated, but since WHO likes to drag out their 2004 stats...) comparing cancer survival rates among those same countries and many more, and guess who came out number one?

Give me a break.
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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This ideology is the same as getting rid of government and letting anarchy and chaos prevail. No roads, or any infrastructure, and kill or be killed. I think it is a flawed ideal. People have been working together for a common cause since the dawn of time, so get over it already and become responsible!
That's the same as if I said you believe that having government means you want government to make 100% of every decision. Do you want government to tell you what you can eat each day and what time you go to bed? What, you don't want government, you want chaos and anarchy?

Government has a role, and it's not making sure everything is fair for everyone regardless of person decisions.
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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What a crap thing to say from someone who obviously has NO clue what life is like for a lot of people out in the real world. Is everyone entitled to iPhones and flat screen TV's? No. Are people entitled to quality health care when they need it - yes absolutely. I know lots of responsible people who don't have health insurance because they cannot afford it. And then when something happens to them they are financially ruined trying to pay their medical bills. These are people who work full time with families. I also know people WITH health insurance who are drowning in medical bills. It's not like you pay nothing even if you do have it.

The lack of compassion and understanding by some people on this issue is amazing to me. And very sad. May you never be sick or find yourself in hard times where you need the compassion and help of others.
Do people have a right to housing, food and clothing?

If so, should people who just do not want to work be entitled to these things? I'm talking about a person who is perfectly capable of working but just doesn't want to. Should you be obligated to house, cloth and feed them?
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