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Old 06-17-2014, 10:45 PM
 
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These days we are bound by what the insurance companies decide. They lobby the U.S. govt. for policies that is beneficial to them. Payout less and take in more. I see it every day in the pharmacy. They don't pay for this and they don't pay for that. For Medicare and Medical associated insurance companies, the not covered expensive medication cost is absorbed by the govt. while insurance companies only pay for the cheap medication. Too much to rant. but for now this is it.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Here's a renegade idea--let's examine "outcomes" at the point the disease (cancer, ie) is diagnosed (intervention) or the "event" (stroke, heart attack) occurs. The CONCORD report did just that back in 2008 (hasn't been updated, but since WHO likes to drag out their 2004 stats...) comparing cancer survival rates among those same countries and many more, and guess who came out number one?
Health care is not about how long you survive cancer, or about how many artificial organs they can plug in,.. It is about quality of life up to the time when your terminal condition puts you into the end-stage of your life. It's about people getting up out of bed and going to school or to work without enduring the drudgery of ill health and debilitating conditions that rob people of their pursuit of happiness. That cornerstone of inalienable right and self-evident truth is not sold to the highest bidder. It is the compact and covenant of all Americans to care for one-another, the Commonweal. Isn't it funny how America ranks LAST in the world at the very star-spangled skirts we hide behind.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity
. . . How we doing so far?

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Old 06-18-2014, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Hyrule
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If you read the article it states clearly it's not only about affordable care but lack of good care we can't even afford. Even if you can afford it, it's not efficient.
It cost more and provides less. We are paying more for bad care. We aren't living longer, or feeling better for the amount we spend on healthcare. We have very little preventative care, and only treat after the fact.
It's time for an overhaul. Get on board people! This has to do with everyone in America be it republican or democrat, and in between.

It seems that these other countries might have a longer wait time but it also seems like it's worth the wait! We are only as strong as our weakest link, and our healthcare is our weakest link by far. Shame on us!
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Health care is not about how long you survive cancer, or about how many artificial organs they can plug in,.. It is about quality of life up to the time when your terminal condition puts you into the end-stage of your life. It's about people getting up out of bed and going to school or to work without enduring the drudgery of ill health and debilitating conditions that rob people of their pursuit of happiness. That cornerstone of inalienable right and self-evident truth is not sold to the highest bidder. It is the compact and covenant of all Americans to care for one-another, the Commonweal. Isn't it funny how America ranks LAST in the world at the very star-spangled skirts we hide behind.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity
. . . How we doing so far?
Note the promote part. Very different than provide.

I'd say we're overall doing very well, much better than most OECD countries.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Munich, Bavaria, Germany
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You really have to to go to poor Mexico to get medical Treatment? Then you better say thanks to all of you Tea Party voters.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:31 AM
 
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I think Reagan getting rid of mental health services led to a bunch of problems too.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Of course, if you were one of the many "poor" here, you would go into the emergency room of any hospital, be admitted, and probably have surgery the next day....yep, we have it bad here.
If you are poor enough to get on Medicaid, you are correct. You will get you health care, and you won't pay a dime (the rest of us who work and pay taxes and high insurance premiums will foot the bill for you.)

If you are rich, well then, you have nothing to worry about.

However, if you are a part of the working class, and either have no insurance, or even if you do, you will be looking at, on top of the stress of that surgery, an avalanche of bills for months to come, and possible financial bankruptcy if you can't pay it all off. This in a healthcare system where a night in the hospital runs THOUSANDS of dollars, a bottle of tiny pills in the HUNDREDS. And that is the shame of it all.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: On the corner of Grey Street
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Do people have a right to housing, food and clothing?

If so, should people who just do not want to work be entitled to these things? I'm talking about a person who is perfectly capable of working but just doesn't want to. Should you be obligated to house, cloth and feed them?
That is a completely different topic. I don't like people who are capable of working and choose not to anymore than anyone else, but if they are sick or hurt then yes we should provide health care to them. It's called being a decent human being. I don't think it makes someone entitled at all to expect access to quality healthcare. What would you do? You're having a heart attack? Oh too bad, too sad. Why don't you just go keel over in the parking lot.

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If you read the article it states clearly it's not only about affordable care but lack of good care we can't even afford. Even if you can afford it, it's not efficient.
It cost more and provides less. We are paying more for bad care. We aren't living longer, or feeling better for the amount we spend on healthcare. We have very little preventative care, and only treat after the fact.
It's time for an overhaul. Get on board people! This has to do with everyone in America be it republican or democrat, and in between.

It seems that these other countries might have a longer wait time but it also seems like it's worth the wait! We are only as strong as our weakest link, and our healthcare is our weakest link by far. Shame on us!
Exactly this. It seems like the a lot of the people who it isn't a problem for just don't care about those who it is a problem for. The lack of empathy is astounding. And very disheartening.
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Exactly this. It seems like the a lot of the people who it isn't a problem for just don't care about those who it is a problem for. The lack of empathy is astounding. And very disheartening.
Not to be glib but, these are conservatives you're talking about. Is anyone really surprised that they have no empathy whatsoever for anyone? I'm not surprised in the least.
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Similar to an openly biased media source that presents the ideology of the 1% that every hillbilly in a trailer park ascribes too?
Of course, and?
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