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Old 06-20-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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U.S. RANKED Last In Health Care

Gee I though Obamacare was supposed to fix all of that...yuck, yuck, yuck...."If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"......
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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It sure would be bad if we went to a fully socialized system, like many of these nations, and had to deal with the poor healthcare that comes time it... Private healthcare is clearly the way to go.

Oh... wait...

Obamacare was never meant to fix this. Obamacare was like putting a bandaid on a broken femur. It was a compromise to appease the anti-socialist types that was about 30% as strong as it needed to be... and they still fought it, kicking and screaming because the way it is now was ... apparently acceptable to them?
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Why don't we just pay for everyone in the world.
Who said anything about the whole world?

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Healthcare is NOT a right.
But it is a necessity.
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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U.S. RANKED Last In Health Care

Gee I though Obamacare was supposed to fix all of that...yuck, yuck, yuck...."If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"......
Tee hee he, and the double digit increases we've experienced for over 30 plus years was working so well? Your idea is to keep it the same while more, and more Americans lose coverage? Another misguided ideal.
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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In healthcare you aren't supposed to hurt some to help others. How fast so many forgot that small item.
Isn't that the way the previous system worked though?

The insurance companies could pick and choose, and leave the sick (expensive) cases, to be paid for by the taxpayer?
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Thats you, not everyone else.

ACA might have helped a lot of people but it hurt just as many. In healthcare you aren't supposed to hurt some to help others. How fast so many forgot that small item.

This was rammed down the throat of the country and for no other reason than politics.
Although I support it, Obamacare is terribly flawed. The far better option, made unworkable by Republicans would have been a single payer system (like every other rich developed country). Raise taxes - remove or amend the age criteria for Medicare.
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Old 06-20-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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This report is typical propaganda for universal health care.

Anyone who knows someone from Canada or England will tell you how horrible getting fast and good healthcare is in those countries.

You would wait weeks to get the same procedures you get in days here.
propaganda spread and paid for by the insurance lobbyists.....

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I agree 100%,and I have also had Canadian and American ex-pat [in England] email pals who absolutely love the Universal health care in those countries....so no way do I believe the BS stories that originate in America[probably from greedy doctors] knocking the health care system in Canada and England!
not doctors... the profitable insurance companies.....

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The part I bolded... is total BS!Nothing but Racist propaganda!

I for one, never want to see how much more my fruits and veggies would cost without the immigrants picking them,since Americans refuse to do THAT job!

And why is is that it's always ignored how many $BILLIONS immigrant workers~ both legal and illegal pay into Social Security, but will never draw SS??????


The more truthful and logical gripe for Americas citizens would be about our congress receiving free health care, free medicine for the rest of their lives! Why does their retirement plan give them so much money for a few years of "service" if you can even call what most of them do...'service'? They have the best retirement and health care plan in the world.

Why in hell do we put up with that????
not only free cadillac insurance plans, but pensions that the vast majority of us can only fantasize about......


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Oh wait...how about two or three years ago when he waited almost 3 months, in pain, to have an ingrown nail operated on.

Please...your so called stories are every day occurrences in these countries. They have nothing more than rationed medical care.

Its amazing how many companies in the UK offer private health insurance as a perk. Wonder why?
I have friends in Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand and they are SHOCKED at what we must deal with and what we must pay for care.... Yes, there are additional insurance policies that can be bought, but they insure you an upgraded room and such.... if you are sick or injured, you are treated without threat of bankruptcy......

you think health care is not rationed here in the states?? The rationing here is people doing without because they can't afford the prospect of bankrupting bills.... I spent about $1500 last year for a colonoscopy between co-pays and hadn't met my deductible... nearly $200 this year for a 10 minute visit with an orthopedist and a shot of cortisone in my elbow..... for the same reasons..... and I pay FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS per month for coverage just for me.....

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Although I support it, Obamacare is terribly flawed. The far better option, made unworkable by Republicans would have been a single payer system (like every other rich developed country). Raise taxes - remove or amend the age criteria for Medicare.
I would MUCH rather my $500 per month premiums go towards a single payer system than to line the pockets of an insurance carrier.....
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Old 06-20-2014, 04:05 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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propaganda spread and paid for by the insurance lobbyists.....



not doctors... the profitable insurance companies.....



not only free cadillac insurance plans, but pensions that the vast majority of us can only fantasize about......




I have friends in Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand and they are SHOCKED at what we must deal with and what we must pay for care.... Yes, there are additional insurance policies that can be bought, but they insure you an upgraded room and such.... if you are sick or injured, you are treated without threat of bankruptcy......

you think health care is not rationed here in the states?? The rationing here is people doing without because they can't afford the prospect of bankrupting bills.... I spent about $1500 last year for a colonoscopy between co-pays and hadn't met my deductible... nearly $200 this year for a 10 minute visit with an orthopedist and a shot of cortisone in my elbow..... for the same reasons..... and I pay FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS per month for coverage just for me.....



I would MUCH rather my $500 per month premiums go towards a single payer system than to line the pockets of an insurance carrier.....
When you tell people from other countries about the health situation here, I think they're often beyond shock, in that they don't really completely believe you, along the lines of 'ok things might be bad but he/she has to be exaggerating ...'
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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This report is typical propaganda for universal health care.

Anyone who knows someone from Canada or England will tell you how horrible getting fast and good healthcare is in those countries.

You would wait weeks to get the same procedures you get in days here
I`m a nurse in Canada, so I'm more than familiar with the quality of healthcare. I have no complaints.
I suffered a rotator cuff injury recently, and received cortisone injections, got a referral to rheumatology and had a nuclear medicine Gamma Ray scan, all within the space of about 10 days.
Is it perfect? No, of course not, but it beats what we used to have.
Your system, half a century ago.
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Explain how our health care delivery system is PROMOTING the GENERAL welfare better than most OECD countries.
I wouldn't say it is.

Our healthcare is pretty screwed up in this country which is a demerit. Of course, we also have a stronger economy with better growth, lower taxes, lower cost of living. The positives out way the negatives. You can take the extra money you get to keep from the lower taxation and cheaper cost of living and spend it on the outrageous cost of medical insurance and come out better off than Europe.

We do a much better job of promoting the general welfare. Europe generally does a better job of providing the general welfare with its more comprehensive welfare system.
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