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Old 06-23-2014, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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My area takes longer as well. We have a local hospital which is okay for minor things or to stabilize you, but for anything serious in the middle of the night, a helicopter would be called out to take you to a Glasgow hospital. Many of the small islands would need helicopter service as well. No charge to the patient (except for paying normal taxes).
There are quite a few air ambulances in Britain, and they are especially useful in more remote areas. In terms of 8 minutes from response to treatment that does seem a very high standard to meet. In terms of healthcare in the UK if we were all so unhappy with the NHS we would all be rushing to take out private health insurance which is freely available in the UK.

I remember the NHS handing dentistry over to the private sector, instead of a vast improvement in service most people only saw a vast inflation of prices and dentists becoming very wealthy indeed. Luckily the NHS still provides free dentistry for under 18's, Students and those receiving welfare benefits or on low wages.
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Old 06-23-2014, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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There are quite a few air ambulances in Britain, and they are especially useful in more remote areas. In terms of 8 minutes from response to treatment that does seem a very high standard to meet. In terms of healthcare in the UK if we were all so unhappy with the NHS we would all be rushing to take out private health insurance which is freely available in the UK.

I remember the NHS handing dentistry over to the private sector, instead of a vast improvement in service most people only saw a vast inflation of prices and dentists becoming very wealthy indeed. Luckily the NHS still provides free dentistry for under 18's, Students and those receiving welfare benefits or on low wages.
I am fortunate to have a good NHS dentist. £10 twice a year for a thorough cleaning and checkup.
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Old 06-23-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I am fortunate to have a good NHS dentist. £10 twice a year for a thorough cleaning and checkup.
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Old 06-23-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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^^^How come whenever anyone from Canada mentions their health care system, they always say they think it's a good system? I think I have only read perhaps 2 people who found it not to their liking. Interesting. And as far as health care not being a right...do you not think it should be? You don't think having affordable reasonable access to health care is not a right? That's bizarre because I think that is basically the ONE right that every human being on the planet should have.
It's possible that the Canadians who think they have a good system are healthy and haven't had to deal with "real" care. My husband had a couple of clients who moved here from Canada because they have major health issues and got tired of waiting almost two years for procedures and certain tests. Also have friends in England who say the same thing.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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It's possible that the Canadians who think they have a good system are healthy and haven't had to deal with "real" care. My husband had a couple of clients who moved here from Canada because they have major health issues and got tired of waiting almost two years for procedures and certain tests. Also have friends in England who say the same thing.
I've dealt with the British NHS, and there's nothing wrong with it, if you have a serious condition you are seen very quickly, the main waiting times being for non-urgent cases, when there is an 18 week maximum target. We do have private hospitals in the UK and there are some private contractors running certain NHS services, and private medical insurance is available in the UK.

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Old 06-23-2014, 11:25 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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It's possible that the Canadians who think they have a good system are healthy and haven't had to deal with "real" care. My husband had a couple of clients who moved here from Canada because they have major health issues and got tired of waiting almost two years for procedures and certain tests. Also have friends in England who say the same thing.

not according to a Canadian friend with a serious blood disorder or a Welsh friend with a rare form of cancer....
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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You likely have Medicare though. Mortality rates with private insurance are better than Medicare and many DR's have been dropping Medicare patients due to lowered reimbursement rates.
My medical insurance is Moda Advantage. The doc does not bill Medicare, he bills the insurance company. If he didn't want to do business with Moda, all he had to do was not sign the contract. I'm quite aware that millions of Americans don't have access to medical care, but I'm not one of them. Once I was accepted as a patient, I expected a minimum level of professional behavior on the part of the physician, and I didn't get it.

The realities of American medical care are:

1. You are lucky if you can find a doctor to treat you. An ER will just stabilize, refer and street you. Making arrangements to pay the actual physician who treats you is your problem, and generally it's no pay no play.

2. You will wait weeks to get your first appointment.

3. They will forget your name as soon as you are out the door, and will not follow up with any treatment.

4. If a necessary test is not covered by your insurance, they will cancel the test without telling you or asking if you want to pay for it out of pocket.

When you run across someone who tries to tell you how great American medical care is, they are lying to your face.
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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My medical insurance is Moda Advantage. The doc does not bill Medicare, he bills the insurance company. If he didn't want to do business with Moda, all he had to do was not sign the contract. I'm quite aware that millions of Americans don't have access to medical care, but I'm not one of them. Once I was accepted as a patient, I expected a minimum level of professional behavior on the part of the physician, and I didn't get it.
I'm not sure why your Doc dropped you if he still accepts your insurance.

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The realities of American medical care are:

1. You are lucky if you can find a doctor to treat you. An ER will just stabilize, refer and street you. Making arrangements to pay the actual physician who treats you is your problem, and generally it's no pay no play.

2. You will wait weeks to get your first appointment.

3. They will forget your name as soon as you are out the door, and will not follow up with any treatment.

4. If a necessary test is not covered by your insurance, they will cancel the test without telling you or asking if you want to pay for it out of pocket.

When you run across someone who tries to tell you how great American medical care is, they are lying to your face.
1. That hasn't been my experience or that of anyone I know, but perhaps it depends on specialty. Now the only specialist I have ever had to see was an ophthalmologist, but I was seen and operated on the same day. When I needed stiches I just walked into the ER clinic (not a hospital). When my friend was having her baby she just called the OBGYN, made the appointment, and was accepted as a patient with no issues.

Oh I just remembered, I also saw a maxillofacial surgeon. I think the consultation was one day and the surgery was the next week.

2. Depends on the Dr, specialty, and the procedure.
3. Again, that hasn't been my experience, but it sounds like the place(s) you dealt with wasn't managed properly.
4. I haven't heard of that happening, but I can see that occurring.
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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My medical insurance is Moda Advantage. The doc does not bill Medicare, he bills the insurance company. If he didn't want to do business with Moda, all he had to do was not sign the contract. I'm quite aware that millions of Americans don't have access to medical care, but I'm not one of them. Once I was accepted as a patient, I expected a minimum level of professional behavior on the part of the physician, and I didn't get it.

The realities of American medical care are:

1. You are lucky if you can find a doctor to treat you. An ER will just stabilize, refer and street you. Making arrangements to pay the actual physician who treats you is your problem, and generally it's no pay no play.

2. You will wait weeks to get your first appointment.

3. They will forget your name as soon as you are out the door, and will not follow up with any treatment.

4. If a necessary test is not covered by your insurance, they will cancel the test without telling you or asking if you want to pay for it out of pocket.

When you run across someone who tries to tell you how great American medical care is, they are lying to your face.
Well, I haven't had quite the problems with my new doctor that you describe on here, but I do have MODA and I absolutely despise them. My employer pays through the nose for the high premiums, yet MODA obviously does not want us to use it. Every single year I do a dance to make them follow up on charges and am currently doing it again.
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:42 PM
 
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Not at all. All you have to do is get the ACA repealed. That ought to be a cinch if so many people are against it, now shouldn't it? Or maybe you think Obama will get the mafia to make all the opponents of the bills disappear. That's about on the level of what I've been hearing out of the right wing for months.

Oh well. He only has 2 years and 7 months to go as President.
The people didn't vote for ACA and you know it. ACA was a single party ram through and you know that too.

The only time liberals want to invoke the vote of the people is when it suits them.
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