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Old 06-24-2014, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Canada has a very good system, but even they haven't been able to eliminate or even reduce the health income gradient when compared to the USA.
Many esteemed commenters here, who don't miss a beat to applaud Marxism and Socialism, yet, why are they silent on this matter of -- Health Income Gradient? Isn't inequality a pillar of their ideology?

Why is this matter gleaned over, and ignored? Why don't our esteemed Canadians address and explain their higher Health Income Gradient?

Furthermore, why do they ignore, why are they silent on Health Coefficient Reforms?

Next, why don't they tell us about their aging population and shrinking work-force? Why don't they tell us what is that going to cause to their healthcare?
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Many esteemed commenters here, who don't miss a beat to applaud Marxism and Socialism, yet, why are they silent on this matter of -- Health Income Gradient? Isn't inequality a pillar of their ideology?

Why is this matter gleaned over, and ignored? Why don't our esteemed Canadians address and explain their higher Health Income Gradient?

Furthermore, why do they ignore, why are they silent on Health Coefficient Reforms?

Next, why don't they tell us about their aging population and shrinking work-force? Why don't they tell us what is that going to cause to their healthcare?
Firstly I am not Canadian and secondly the US has the least efficient and indeed most expensive healthcare systems in the world, and as for a shrinking work force that would impact a private heath care system as much as a universal or state run system.

Furthermore how does Universal and State Healthcare constitute Marxism, or is most of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and a host of other countries Marxist.

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Old 06-24-2014, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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I heard it on the radio news this afternoon. It was told like it was factual. And my post is not total bs because I also said I would rather get sick in the US than anywhere else in the world. Now, I know for sure that's a fact, so therefore my post was not "total" bs, as you, so all-knowingly and self-assuredly claim.
I was referring to you statement about 75% tax as bs, not the rest. I know of no country where the tax is 75%. Even on my husband's big salary before retirement it was 40% and that was only on part of it.

Stop listening to Fox news.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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But you pay for the cost of others with the American system as well. In fact, the American government pays more per capita for healthcare (ie., out of your taxes) than countries with universal healthcare.

Thus, if you had Canada's or Britain's systems, you would be paying less for the care of others than you are now.
We can have their systems but can we have there immigration laws too? Can we get rid of birthright citizenship?

People making the universal healthcare argument forget that the populations and laws in the socialist countries are vastly different than those of the US.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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I was referring to you statement about 75% tax as bs, not the rest. I know of no country where the tax is 75%. Even on my husband's big salary before retirement it was 40% and that was only on part of it.

Stop listening to Fox news.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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So 75% on a few people who make many millions in France means 75% tax is typical?! Serious twisting of data there.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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Most Canadians I know hate Canadian healthcare and have nothing positive to say about it.
How many Canadians do you know? Because many times people say "most people I know" & really they either know no one or know maybe 1 person. I know 2 Canadians, they've never had a bad thing to say about their system.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Firstly I am not Canadian and secondly the US has the least efficient and indeed most expensive healthcare systems in the world, and as for a shrinking work force that would impact a private heath care system as much as a universal or state run system.
Obviously you didn't read the rest of my points, or chose to ignore them. But, I will address your statement of shrinking work-force at point-blank.

US will have positive total population growth for the next 25-50 years. Canada's population growth is negative.

In other words, Canada will be getting older, more people will retire than enter the workforce. In US, the opposite will occur.

Yet, shrinking work-force is not an isolated factor. It is part of the total picture in Capitalism versus Socialism discussion.

It is known fact that work-force has expanded during economic booms, and it has shrunk during anemic economies.

The problem with Canada is that its economic growth is never expected to grow above 3%, which is the threshold for birth rate to surpass death rates.

We all know that Capitalism is the engine of economic expansion, and hence population growth. As countries, US included, move away from Capitalism, as economic growth slows or recedes, so will population.


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Furthermore how does Universal and State Healthcare constitute Marxism, or is most of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and a host of other countries Marxist.
Developed countries have implemented components of Marxism since 50-60 years ago. Surely, they are still capitalist countries, but Capitalism has receded while Collectivism and Socialism has expanded.

Surely countries, like Sweden for example, in dire economic times have turned again toward Capitalism as the saviour. Heck, even US greenies would put Norwegian's greenies to shame when it comes to Petroleum.

The jury is still out with these experimentations, although EU's own assessment and predictions are dire and scary.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Obviously you didn't read the rest of my points, or chose to ignore them. But, I will address your statement of shrinking work-force at point-blank.

Yet, shrinking work-force is not an isolated factor. It is part of the total picture in Capitalism versus Socialism discussion.
What does a shrinking workforce have to do with Socialism, indeed Canada is not even a Socialist Country.

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Developed countries have implemented components of Marxism since 50-60 years ago. Surely, they are still capitalist countries, but Capitalism has receded while Collectivism and Socialism has expanded.

Surely countries, like Sweden for example, in dire economic times have turned again toward Capitalism as the saviour. Heck, even US greenies would put Norwegian's greenies to shame when it comes to Petroleum.

The jury is still out with these experimentations, although EU's own assessment and predictions are dire and scary.
You make two counterclaims, the first being the Socialism is expanding and the second that it's declining.

I am not sure what this has to do with Universal Healthcare, as most countries who have such systems are not socialist but mixed economies, where the means of production is largely in private hands rather than that of the state.

Mixed economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:50 AM
 
Location: UP of Michigan
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A post like that and than get huffy? Thanks to those of you who have countered the "death panel" reporting while touching on some of the worst aspects of for profit health care. End of life counseling in addition to mental health coverage would be an Improvement. Another waste IMO is ads for prescription drugs. Are we helping by drumming up symptoms to be treated? Tax rates in the USA should be more progressive, but don't hold your breath, and that discussion gets even uglier! (not here).
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