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Old 07-19-2014, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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When you liberals lose, you never move on. When you lose in elections, you turn into the executive orders. When you lose in courts, you turn to the Senate. You never let go, You push, shove, cry, complain, until you get your way.

It took you 100 years to get Obamacare. You never moved on from previous defeats. You kept fighting. I like that quality very much.
I love it when people misuse the term liberal. Just because someone disagrees with Fox news talking points does not make them a liberal. I lean progressive, but I'm not liberal. I support the ACA, because I'm tired of paying others way. I provided insurance for my family my entire life. However, someone who doesn't still gets help in an emergency that my costs are inflated to cover. Is it a liberal ideal to not want to pay others cost?
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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I love it when people misuse the term liberal. Just because someone disagrees with Fox news talking points does not make them a liberal. I lean progressive, but I'm not liberal. I support the ACA, because I'm tired of paying others way. I provided insurance for my family my entire life. However, someone who doesn't still gets help in an emergency that my costs are inflated to cover. Is it a liberal ideal to not want to pay others cost?
There is nothing more liberal than ACA. And not wanting to pay for others' cost -- that's really a twisted logic.

If you have a mortgage, a credit card, etc -- your interest rates cover deadbeats too. You pay for them. Do you also want the Federal Govt to take over the Credit Card business? Why not?
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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There is nothing more liberal than ACA. And not wanting to pay for others' cost -- that's really a twisted logic.

If you have a mortgage, a credit card, etc -- your interest rates cover deadbeats too. You pay for them. Do you also want the Federal Govt to take over the Credit Card business? Why not?
You mean like Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac?
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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You mean like Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac?
No. Like Capital One, B of A. BTW, Fannie and Freddie are examples of good government to you?
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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No. Like Capital One, B of A. BTW, Fannie and Freddie are examples of good government to you?
I was just pointing out the government is already into mortgages, so your comparison made no sense. Why do I need to subsidize others healthcare? Why do I pay for Wal-Mart employees healthcare? I think it's a liberal ideal that the taxpayer subsidize corporations employees.
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Old 07-19-2014, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Ubique
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I was just pointing out the government is already into mortgages,
I asked you how is Govt track record for this..


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Why do I need to subsidize others healthcare?
Why should you (or I) subsidize healthcare for the poor? That's a very good point. I think we should, but I wouldn't want my money being laundered thru the Federal Govt.

I want States to do this. If I don't like how NYS handles this, maybe I'll move to Nevada.


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I think it's a liberal ideal that the taxpayer subsidize corporations employees.
I am with you that I want no part of subsidizing any corporations. Let them stand on their own two feet, and compete fairly and squarely. And I don't want any Govt dictate their wages.

So, if there are adults who can work, I absolutely do not want to subsidize their healthcare. My limit is children, seniors, and disabled.

And reform the healthcare marketplace, when patients and doctors are in direct financial relationship with each other. Not this Insurance cluster****.
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