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The latest Commonwealth report on health care ranks the US last among 11 countries — again.
The latest look at the U.S. health care system compared to other rich countries shows — yet again — that the United States comes in dead last.
One of my thoughts is that you have neighborhood clinics in lower income areas. The government could provide medical school scholarships that they'd give in exchange for 10 years of work (as an example) at these clinics for a reduced, but healthy, salary. Anybody can go into these clinics, and they will be billed based upon their income level and number of dependents. It's only "free" to those in poverty, but it's adjusted down for those of lower income levels. (Of course, if you are here illegally, you should also get deported as well). I'd be all for having tax money go toward such clinics, because it would relieve congestion in ER's and reduce the cost of illnesses due to being caught early.
I don't mind participating in such charity. I just don't want a new system where the rich still get all the best care and the middle class go to a reduced system since they can't buy there way out.
Yes -- no other country imports poverty the way the USA is doing -- we basically allow unlimited numbers of the world's poorest who who are having the most babies to come here and expect all kinds of government handouts including free health care.
Canada can offer it's citizens something but Canada doesn't allow the whole world to show up to get in on the free health care -- the USA provides completely free health care to the illegals pouring over the border and someone has to pay more in order to make up for them.
I guess for me, it boils down to this question to both of you... Now, remember the recent goings on at the VA.. Would YOU trust the US Government with your health?
I am not necessarily against single-payer healthcare in the US.. I am very against having our screwed up government attempting to run it.
An excellent question my friend and one that I need to answer.
With hardcore corruption embedded in the U.S. government for decades I find it extremely difficult to fall on the side of universal healthcare.
The VA and how it's managed and more importantly how it's mismanaged is a perfect portal in which to view the culture of corruption that has been present for years.
What do we do? We must first address our current state of government and reform it before we can even begin to expect that we could have a universal healthcare system that would be feasible for every citizen.
Yes -- no other country imports poverty the way the USA is doing -- we basically allow unlimited numbers of the world's poorest who who are having the most babies to come here and expect all kinds of government handouts including free health care.
Canada can offer it's citizens something but Canada doesn't allow the whole world to show up to get in on the free health care -- the USA provides completely free health care to the illegals pouring over the border and someone has to pay more in order to make up for them.
The part I bolded... is total BS!Nothing but Racist propaganda!
I for one, never want to see how much more my fruits and veggies would cost without the immigrants picking them,since Americans refuse to do THAT job!
And why is is that it's always ignored how many $BILLIONS immigrant workers~ both legal and illegalpay intoSocial Security, but will never draw SS??????
The more truthful and logical gripe for Americas citizens would be about our congress receiving free health care, free medicine for the rest of their lives! Why does their retirement plan give them so much money for a few years of "service" if you can even call what most of them do...'service'? They have the best retirement and health care plan in the world.
Why in hell do we put up with that????
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The spin that citizens in Canada are dissatisfied with their health care system is laughable.
I agree. The powers that be over our healthcare system that stand to make the most profit from the current status quo are the ones who put that spin out there.
I agree. The powers that be over our healthcare system that stand to make the most profit from the current status quo are the ones who put that spin out there.
You are 100% correct!
That is not rocket science,are so many Americans really that stupid that they haven't figured that out yet?
Doesn't the time you wait for procedures in Canada depend on the area you are in? That's what I've heard from Canadians.
I have met Canadians that come here for care and say their system is terrible . That was puzzling to me. They said some provinces are better than others.
Doesn't the time you wait for procedures in Canada depend on the area you are in? That's what I've heard from Canadians.
I have met Canadians that come here for care and say their system is terrible . That was puzzling to me. They said some provinces are better than others.
Hmmm,and doesn't that sound like exactly the same as here in the U.S.?
My late hubby was from southeastern KY[Appalachia],and whenever we were visiting his family down there,I had told him if me or the kids ever got sick,he better never take us to a hospital there,but bring us back home to Ohio!
I don't think American health care is as bad as some claim it is. In fact, my own experiences are generally positive.
However, you can talk about all the "stories" you want. I invite you some time to do a search here on the Canada or United Kingdom forums. You'll find post after post by citizen of those countries who believe that their health care systems are terrific systems. The origin of most of the stories you hear is some commercial by the health insurance industry trying to convince Americans they don't want national health insurance.
I have also talked to citizens of those countries who are temporarily in the USA. Most of them are very supportive of their systems and emphasize again and again that simply the burden of not having to fear bankruptcy because they couldn't pay their insurance deductibles or co-pay is such an enormous relief that they will accept some delay and some diminution in quality of services.
Perhaps, the systems in other countries have major problems, but the person I would listen to is a resident of those countries, not an American who "hears all these stories".
This exactly! dont fall for it, dont let em fleece you!
However, you can talk about all the "stories" you want. I invite you some time to do a search here on the Canada or United Kingdom forums. You'll find post after post by citizen of those countries who believe that their health care systems are terrific systems. The origin of most of the stories you hear is some commercial by the health insurance industry trying to convince Americans they don't want national health insurance.
I wish you were around last year to tell my friend in the UK that he is only "telling stories".
He was the greatest defender of the NHS. Until last summer when he was having problems breathing. Went to his doctor, who referred him to a cardiologist, who scheduled him for an angioplasty and possible stents....scheduled him 6 WEEKS after his visit. He told my friend to do nothing strenuous and to rest for the next 6 weeks. WOW...how his opinion changed about the NHS.
Of course, if you were one of the many "poor" here, you would go into the emergency room of any hospital, be admitted, and probably have surgery the next day....yep, we have it bad here.
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