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Old 06-17-2014, 09:33 AM
 
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This is just a silly comment. Your earlier comment was "We all pay for things that you use." The only context in which that's true are shared infrastructure. That's in no way similar to providing health care for individuals.



Yes, it is awful. People who want to turn America into a socialist state are completely out of step with the values of this country. They should seek citizenship elsewhere.
Values? So you don't value that all citizens of this country should have affordable & equal access to health care? Wow, how selfish.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:34 AM
 
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Canada ranked last among OECD countries in health care wait times | CTV News
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:36 AM
 
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How could you possibly have to wait 3 months...live in the sticks with one doctor around?
Are you kidding? Have you EVER been to a specialist? I don't think you have otherwise you would know that it is common to have to schedule your appointment at least 2 months if not more in advance. Foot doctor, dermatologist, those are two that I've dealth with where I couldn't get in for months. And I live in a major city.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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Like anything else, healthcare is a scarce commodity.... economics 101. With any scarce good you can either ration by price or access. If you ration by price, the richer people tend to get better or more goods/services. If you ration by access, the politically well-connected get better or more goods/services.

Choosing whether to ration by price or access sayss a lot about a society. Americans have traditionally rationed by price because of the American dream of becoming rich and then having access to the best goods and services the world has to offer. Europeans have traditionally chose to ration by access which has resulted in them having a baseline level of service available to everyone, though probably not one that is world-class. Europeans have historically favored politicians and bureaucrats over business. In the US it has been the reverse, though that is changing now that more Americans expect the government to provide for them.
With a scarce commodity, you have to worry about:

Hospitals 'letting patients die to save money’ - Telegraph
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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Values? So you don't value that all citizens of this country should have affordable & equal access to health care? Wow, how selfish.
No, I don't believe in equal access.

I believe that a mother of three who has a job and has lived a healthy and responsible life should have better access than the unemployed drug addict who has been in and out of jail when one of them needs a kidney transplant.

Do you believe they should be treated equally?
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:45 AM
 
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No, I don't believe in equal access.

I believe that a mother of three who has a job and has lived a healthy and responsible life should have better access than the unemployed drug addict who has been in and out of jail when one of them needs a kidney transplant.

Do you believe they should be treated equally?
Yep, sorry. I don't look down on others with such disdain. How sad for you.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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Are you kidding? Have you EVER been to a specialist? I don't think you have otherwise you would know that it is common to have to schedule your appointment at least 2 months if not more in advance. Foot doctor, dermatologist, those are two that I've dealth with where I couldn't get in for months. And I live in a major city.
Months? I do see specialists and at most I wait a week or so if its not an emergency.

You need to find better coverage.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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No, I don't believe in equal access.

I believe that a mother of three who has a job and has lived a healthy and responsible life should have better access than the unemployed drug addict who has been in and out of jail when one of them needs a kidney transplant.

Do you believe they should be treated equally?
1. How about the child with diabetes who had the misfortune to be born to parents trying to run their own business who couldn't afford health insurance?

2. How about the college student who was trying to do without health insurance to save money for tuition when an uninsured drunk driver ran into him in a crosswalk?

3. How about the man who was laid off from his job and couldn't afford COBRA insurance who's pregnant wife finds out that she has a high risk pregnancy?

If you get out of this silly notion that people deserve everything that happens to them in life, you can start to realize that our health care system is very deficient in many ways. If you are stuck in this paradigm that anything that involves the government is "socialism" and "socialism" is always bad than you can't reason through this kind of dilemma.

You previously showed a graph that indicated that wait times for a specialist physician were much shorter for Americans than Canadians and other groups.

How long is the wait time for a specialist physician in America for someone without health insurance?
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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Months? I do see specialists and at most I wait a week or so if its not an emergency.

You need to find better coverage.
Good for you. I however have excellent insurance, thanks for your concern. And as I said, yes you have to wait months. Perhaps you live in the sticks where no one else lives therefore you can get in quicker?
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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Are you kidding? Have you EVER been to a specialist? I don't think you have otherwise you would know that it is common to have to schedule your appointment at least 2 months if not more in advance. Foot doctor, dermatologist, those are two that I've dealth with where I couldn't get in for months. And I live in a major city.
My son waited almost 2 YEARS for an autism evaluation.

As someone who has a chronic illness, and who has 2 children with chronic illnesses, I can attest that we wait in the US. 6 months is not uncommon to see a specialist at a major medical center. When my daughter was referred to a pain rehab program to deal with her chronic pain, she waited 2 months. In pain.

We wait plenty in the U.S.

ETA I live in Seattle, WA, and we have excellent private health insurance. The problem we have here is a large population and not enough resources to treat them all.
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