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Old 06-18-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lizardtastic View Post
It's the twilight zone on here.....two strange dogs sit still while you hold them and cut their face up with a box cutter. Man that's some interesting stuff right there.
Read some of what happened to Vick's dogs.......they did not defend themselves.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:08 PM
 
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Quick Statistics - U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org
In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days.
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9 years. And that's JUST pit bulls!
How many people killed by bears, mountain lions, wolves in that same time period?

About 8 people killed by bears in same time period.
List of fatal bear attacks in North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1 mountain lion in that time period
List of fatal cougar attacks in North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Zero fatalities from wolves.

Do the math.

Give me an east coast black bear on my walking trail than off leash alpha breed any day of the week. In fact give me a pack of wolves. They have natural fear of man because we hunted them for so long.
Wolves kill.....don't be fool....they had killed many dogs in the UP of Michigan.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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Quick Statistics - U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org
In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days.
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9 years. And that's JUST pit bulls!
How many people killed by bears, mountain lions, wolves in that same time period?

About 8 people killed by bears in same time period.
List of fatal bear attacks in North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1 mountain lion in that time period
List of fatal cougar attacks in North America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Zero fatalities from wolves.

Do the math.

Give me an east coast black bear on my walking trail than off leash alpha breed any day of the week. In fact give me a pack of wolves. They have natural fear of man because we hunted them for so long.
Dogsbite.org is not a reputable site. It is run by a crazy dog hater. I think hippos kill around 3000 people a year.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:12 PM
 
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Read some of what happened to Vick's dogs.......they did not defend themselves.
You're really going to compare that to a stranger walking onto a property?

Some really sicko **** michael vick did:

Several of those dogs were shot; at least two were were hosed down, then electrocuted. Three dogs were hanged, according to a report by the USDA inspector general, "by placing a nylon cord over a 2 x 4 that was nailed to two trees;" three more dogs were drowned "by putting the dogs' heads in a 5 gallon bucket of water."

Vick, with his partner, Quanis Phillips, killed yet another dog "by slamming it to the ground several times before it died, breaking the dog's back or neck." When another of his dogs was disqualified after jumping out of the ring during a fight, Vick had his associate, Purnell Peace, shoot that dog in the head with a .22 caliber pistol.

BUT....

totally irrelevant to this ups driver. A bunch of thugs ganging up and electrocuting, shooting, and hanging their own dogs. And who says the dogs didn't fight back while that was happening? Probably just overpowered and confused since it was their owner.

And that's a far cry from two strange dogs vs ups driver with nothing but a box cutter.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:12 PM
 
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That dog was frightened. Did you notice the tail between the legs and the hackles on her back? A frightened animal is a dangerous animal. Do not underestimate them.

I had a yellow Lab / Chow mix that was very docile, (looked like a pure lab) but I didn't really trust her with strangers because she weighed 90 lbs and was a skittish fraidy cat (so to speak). They will bite you if they are afraid. They will also tend to bite you if they sense you are afraid, because instictively, they know that a frightened animal is a dangerous animal. She never bit anyone, but she did charge a pool guy she didn't know when the regular guy called off. I was home, so all was well.

My Chow / Basset mix bit someone, seriously, and it wasn't really a surprise. He was always a one-person dog, and could be aggressive. I could take steak out of his mouth, but anyone else who approached him, well.... not so good, depending on his mood. I wept for days when I had to have him put down. He caused my step-nephew to have thirty stitches in his face and knocked out an adult tooth. The law didn't compel me to put him down because we have a one-bite rule here in NV, but I did it anyway because he was dangerous.

If you have a powerful dog and you can't control it at all times, don't have it. Period.
I have powerful dogs....but KNOW it.....BTW....the are about 60 pounds......not real big dogs.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:12 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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It is not a "breed average". I do not compare wild animals to domesticated dogs. What is a "Alpha" breed?

you know, I asked that same question and lizard guy said it was a term that had been around for years and years and that I should look it up.... so I did.....

the first 2-3 pages of links for "alpha dog" on google refer to some sort of band and some sort of clothing company....
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:14 PM
 
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You're really going to compare that to a stranger walking onto a property?

Some really sicko **** michael vick did:

Several of those dogs were shot; at least two were were hosed down, then electrocuted. Three dogs were hanged, according to a report by the USDA inspector general, "by placing a nylon cord over a 2 x 4 that was nailed to two trees;" three more dogs were drowned "by putting the dogs' heads in a 5 gallon bucket of water."

Vick, with his partner, Quanis Phillips, killed yet another dog "by slamming it to the ground several times before it died, breaking the dog's back or neck." When another of his dogs was disqualified after jumping out of the ring during a fight, Vick had his associate, Purnell Peace, shoot that dog in the head with a .22 caliber pistol.

BUT....

totally irrelevant to this ups driver. A bunch of thugs ganging up and electrocuting, shooting, and hanging their own dogs. And who says the dogs didn't fight back while that was happening? Probably just overpowered and confused since it was their owner.

And that's a far cry from two strange dogs vs ups driver with nothing but a box cutter.
I disagree....if at any time Vick could have claimed a dog was attacking he would have used that in his defense.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:22 PM
 
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I disagree....if at any time Vick could have claimed a dog was attacking he would have used that in his defense.
Good luck with that defense. LOL
Dude....they had guns and were electrocuting dogs and hanging them. A dog doesn't even know what hanging is. Kind of hard for dog to fight back in that situation anyway with a bunch of thugs with guns. Get real.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Actually, I am not a Pit Bull apologist, I just don't like lazy, emotional thinkers that want to have the world comply with their sunshine and rainbows world without dealing with the logical consequences of their desires, let alone reality.
I tried to rep you for this but was told I have to spread it around more first. So here it is.

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I said nothing of the sort. You've proven to be unstable about this topic. Congratulations!
Just what I was thinking when catching up on this thread after being at work all day. We're dealing with someone who really does need some sort of professional help. It's sort of sad. And scary.

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Read some of what happened to Vick's dogs.......they did not defend themselves.
Exactly. Now, THERE is a monster.

Regarding controlling your dog without strutting around trying to prove what a man you are, I have three large dogs (biggest, and most laid back, last weighed in at about 90 lbs.) and manage to handle them just fine. Some training, but basically I know in my heart that I'm lead mare with the horses and know how to pin my ears (apparently - at least, the horses act like I do whenever I'm in an ear-pinning mode and behave instantly), and the dogs can usually be brought to heel with a word or a look. If my heeler is warning someone new driving up to the house, all I have to do is say, "J.D., they're invited," and he's fine and all wriggles. If they misbehave, all I have to do is look at them disapprovingly, and they display submissive (and truly mortified) behavior until I tell them all is well. They also get lots of love, and I'm the source of food - and, basically, they like people. I'm female, 5'2", and in my 60's, and I have never hit them or done anything to prove how "alpha" I am - if I had to do that, I'd be proving the opposite, in fact, to a dog.

When you're dealing with intelligent animals, equine or canine, and some of them outweigh you by a thousand pounds and some of them have sharper teeth than you do, you learn not to try to macho them if you have any sense and aren't being led around by your testosterone or because of an ill-advised fear reaction.



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Old 06-18-2014, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Good luck with that defense. LOL
Dude....they had guns and were electrocuting dogs and hanging them. A dog doesn't even know what hanging is. Kind of hard for dog to fight back in that situation anyway with a bunch of thugs with guns. Get real.
A dog doesn't know what a gun is, either. Someone putting a rope around a dog's neck with bad intent is getting very, very close to the dog's primary means of defense, and the dog, not knowing what a gun is, isn't going to react to it the way a person would. That's just crazy talk.
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