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Dogsbite.org is not a reputable site. It is run by a crazy dog hater. I think hippos kill around 3000 people a year.
How many hippos are there in america?
It's absolutely a reputable site unless you value dogs over people as many people have stated on here. Dogs attack people all the time for no reason. Look at the videos. Driver has a right to defend himself. PERIOD. Case closed. Move on.
A dog doesn't know what a gun is, either. Someone putting a rope around a dog's neck with bad intent is getting very, very close to the dog's primary means of defense, and the dog, not knowing what a gun is, isn't going to react to it the way a person would. That's just crazy talk.
Of course not, but a dog knows when it's getting slashed by a box cutter. It's not going to sit still for that
So, since there has been NO mention in any of the local coverage of the UPS guy being bitten, and usually when dogs attack and bite someone it is mentioned eighty-leven times in any coverage, what does that tell us?
I just have to add my 2 cents even though I'm new.
In the town I live in the most likely dogs to be off leash are pit bulls. Of the pit bulls, I've never yet seen one of them neutered. They're males, usually, and off their leash downtown and in public parks. I worked in an ER and I've seen what these "sweetest dogs on earth" will do even to children or their owners. Pits are bred for fighting. It's their instinct. They're not bad dogs, but ignorant unrealistic owners make them as bad as a loaded gun. You wouldn't set a gun out in a yard where kids could get ahold of it----you shouldn't with the pits no matter how sweet they seem.
I've raised dogs of different breeds. Dogs are pack animals. Pits are bred to dominate, protect---but mainly to fight to kill. They can't be expected to differentiate between what needs attacked and what doesn't. Their owners are supposed to see to it that they aren't allowed to threaten or attack people and other dogs. Put a pit bull and some other dogs together, and let them roam around---pack mentality will take over and that's deadly with that and a few other breeds.
I have two miniature pinschers. One I've had since he was eight weeks old and he's 14 now. He will protect me and he will bite----I know that because I know him and I know dogs in general. In all 14 years that he's been with me, I've taken every single precaution to keep him from biting anyone. I don't underestimate any dog. Not even mine that I've had for all this time.
Pit bulls, dobermans (full size) English bulldogs, shepherds, Chows---the breeds usually used to guard and attack have it in their genes. You can't get one of those and decide that, just because you love the dog and he's always been sweet and you didn't train him or her to attack anyone, that something won't just suddenly one day set him off. Someday it could, and it only takes once to do horrible damage.
The UPS guy was in the right and the owners are very much wrong not to have a cyclone fence high enough the pits can't jump out. Invisible fences don't mean anything to a dog bent on attack. And even though owners of pit bulls say they don't buy the breed to be a guard dog----yeah, right!
I just have to add my 2 cents even though I'm new.
In the town I live in the most likely dogs to be off leash are pit bulls. Of the pit bulls, I've never yet seen one of them neutered. They're males, usually, and off their leash downtown and in public parks. I worked in an ER and I've seen what these "sweetest dogs on earth" will do even to children or their owners. Pits are bred for fighting. It's their instinct. They're not bad dogs, but ignorant unrealistic owners make them as bad as a loaded gun. You wouldn't set a gun out in a yard where kids could get ahold of it----you shouldn't with the pits no matter how sweet they seem.
I've raised dogs of different breeds. Dogs are pack animals. Pits are bred to dominate, protect---but mainly to fight to kill. They can't be expected to differentiate between what needs attacked and what doesn't. Their owners are supposed to see to it that they aren't allowed to threaten or attack people and other dogs. Put a pit bull and some other dogs together, and let them roam around---pack mentality will take over and that's deadly with that and a few other breeds.
I have two miniature pinschers. One I've had since he was eight weeks old and he's 14 now. He will protect me and he will bite----I know that because I know him and I know dogs in general. In all 14 years that he's been with me, I've taken every single precaution to keep him from biting anyone. I don't underestimate any dog. Not even mine that I've had for all this time.
Pit bulls, dobermans (full size) English bulldogs, shepherds, Chows---the breeds usually used to guard and attack have it in their genes. You can't get one of those and decide that, just because you love the dog and he's always been sweet and you didn't train him or her to attack anyone, that something won't just suddenly one day set him off. Someday it could, and it only takes once to do horrible damage.
The UPS guy was in the right and the owners are very much wrong not to have a cyclone fence high enough the pits can't jump out. Invisible fences don't mean anything to a dog bent on attack. And even though owners of pit bulls say they don't buy the breed to be a guard dog----yeah, right!
Excellent post! Spot on. These people don't seem to understand the importance of genes/breeding in animal behavior. Notice a difference in behavior between a goat and lion? You can give all the love in the world to the lion, it will still be more dangerous and aggressive than the goat. It's it's genes.
Granny Griz, the dogs in question are not pitt bulls (from the story), I think that is what has many of use scratching our heads about all the "evil pitt bulls" crap in this thread. The story said pitt bull, but they are not even remotely close to a pitt bull, bully breed, or varient; just big dogs.
On the fence, I would agree they should have a decent fence, but any more there are so many restrictions on property rights, it's entirely possible that the HOA/HOB won't allow fencing. If that's not the case, then I agree, a real fence is appropriate for any dog, but a larger breed dog especially. We need more info before we can fault the homeowner for not having a physical fence.
On the UPS guy, there is something very weird going on here in that there is no report of him being injured, the dogs sustained horrific cuts (more than a self defense slash), and UPS is considering firing him, and the police are contemplating charges. I am not arguing a delivery guy can't or shouldn't defend himself from a dog, I am just saying something is not adding up as a simple aggresive dog/defensive action in this scenario. We don't have enough information, but the actions of UPS and the cops make me very suspicious about this whole story.
It's absolutely a reputable site unless you value dogs over people as many people have stated on here. Dogs attack people all the time for no reason. Look at the videos. Driver has a right to defend himself. PERIOD. Case closed. Move on.
It is not a reputable site at all. Its a hate group with a lot of misinformation and outright lies.
It's funny. What would happen if a cop had shot the dogs and KILLED THEM? NOTHING. But a poor package delivery driver trying to make a buck uses NON LETHAL force and he's being crucified and probably fired.
Cops do not have the same rules to go by as the peasants do.
It is not a reputable site at all. Its a hate group with a lot of misinformation and outright lies.
A hate group is directed at people, not dogs. Dogs are not people.
Name them and quote direct statistics that are falsified. Again a quick google search will show you the amount of dog fatalities independent of that site. The CDC is in cahoots with that site as well? HAHA
On the UPS guy, there is something very weird going on here in that there is no report of him being injured, the dogs sustained horrific cuts (more than a self defense slash).
How do you know that it wasn't a prolonged struggle. Also, one or two long slashes take 2 seconds. It would cause an enormous long gash in any animal. If he wanted to kill animal he could easily have slashed the throat and that would be the end of the dog. Especially if he was holding down the dog like others with no evidence at all have stated.
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