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Old 06-25-2014, 01:43 AM
 
Location: MN
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'Prejudice Is Prejudice': Biden Says Gay Rights Trump Culture - NBC News

Since when did we have the right to tell other countries how to develop their laws? As a sovereign nation, we can enact laws allowing gays-- or anyone else-- to have the same rights because it is within our borders. When did it become appropriate to start telling other countries to follow what we have within our borders? Did WWII suddenly start over again?

Here's my take on this-- countries should be able to draft and implement laws as they see fit even if we do not agree with them. Are we going to tell Islamic countries they should do away with Sharia law because we don't like the culture? Are we going to tell countries with secular policies they should have more religious laws? Should we force people to be more tolerant, when tolerance is a concept based on the willingness to accept different ideas and behaviors?

I do not believe any nation should have to give up their cultural identity or national culture in order to placate United States politics and policies, or that of any country. We may be disgusted by atrocities abroad, but likewise is directed here with our current issues on privacy, gun violence, poverty, and sex trafficking. I don't hear Biden cracking down on how those are related to prejudices or inhumanities.

Regardless of your position on gay rights or gay marriage, what is your stance on the idea that we should tell other countries how to implement their laws? I get the impression the gay rights slant is being used as a launch board to justify poor foreign policy.

Let's pretend this has nothing to do with gay rights policies. Imagine if another country told us we were inhumane for lacking strict gun control laws, and how protecting citizens from gun violence is a defining mark of a civilized nation. What would the response be then?
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:30 AM
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Location: Florida
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Biden's specific direction was to "promote" justice, not impose it. He talked about adding "voices".

The ambassador from France promotes French champagne in his official actions. Are you going to condemn that too?

Are you suggesting that diplomats should do absolutely nothing? Or did you simply read into the article more than was actually there?
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Old 06-25-2014, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Cambridge, MA
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Imagine if another country told us we were inhumane for lacking strict gun control laws, and how protecting citizens from gun violence is a defining mark of a civilized nation. What would the response be then?
No other country has told us that yet? That hardly seems possible. And the response is easily predicted.
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Old 06-25-2014, 07:26 AM
 
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How would you react if he had said this about the treatment of women in middle eastern countries? Somehow, I suspect you would be just fine with that. It's the gays that you have a problem with, yes?
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Berkshire, England
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Nobody has the right to hide behind the "It's our culture" argument.

Thousands of people die in the US due to guns every year. But that's ok, it's your "culture"
People are stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, but that's ok too, because it's their "culture"
Thousands of young girls are victims of FGM in Nigeria, but we must respect their "culture"
Gay rights are denied in many parts of the world, but don't complain, it's the "culture"

In all these cases and many others besides, the answer is simple and clear - Get a better culture.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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How about everyone mind their own business.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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Biden's specific direction was to "promote" justice, not impose it. He talked about adding "voices".

The ambassador from France promotes French champagne in his official actions. Are you going to condemn that too?

Are you suggesting that diplomats should do absolutely nothing? Or did you simply read into the article more than was actually there?


Wow, comparing the promotion of aberrant sexual behavior with a product that another county produces and promotes is beyond the pale.

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On a semi-related subject I was shocked to see on my Comcast home page a link on page 1 with the acronym for homosexuals and their various sub groups[LGBT]. I called to complain and say if they wanted to "support" that groups behavior, do it on one of the back pages, not the front page where I or my family must see it. Comcast is looking into whether they can remove it from my front page, but declared that it will only be there for a few more days anyway. I asked why, and supposedly it is there because June is homosexual month.
Since when did our country start promoting groups based on their sexual behavior and giving them a month in recognition of it.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:42 AM
 
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Wow, comparing the promotion of aberrant sexual behavior with a product that another county produces and promotes is beyond the pale.

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On a semi-related subject I was shocked to see on my Comcast home page a link on page 1 with the acronym for homosexuals and their various sub groups[LGBT]. I called to complain and say if they wanted to "support" that groups behavior, do it on one of the back pages, not the front page where I or my family must see it. Comcast is looking into whether they can remove it from my front page, but declared that it will only be there for a few more days anyway. I asked why, and supposedly it is there because June is homosexual month.
Since when did our country start promoting groups based on their sexual behavior and giving them a month in recognition of it.
You really need to stop with the dramatics. I bet that comcast employee had a good laugh after that ridiculous phone call. Your family won't fall apart if they see the word homosexual, I promise.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Nobody has the right to hide behind the "It's our culture" argument.

Thousands of people die in the US due to guns every year. But that's ok, it's your "culture"
People are stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, but that's ok too, because it's their "culture"
Thousands of young girls are victims of FGM in Nigeria, but we must respect their "culture"
Gay rights are denied in many parts of the world, but don't complain, it's the "culture"

In all these cases and many others besides, the answer is simple and clear - Get a better culture.
Thank you.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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You really need to stop with the dramatics. I bet that comcast employee had a good laugh after that ridiculous phone call. Your family won't fall apart if they see the word homosexual, I promise.
The problem is that people are sick of having the gay agenda in their face now 24/7.
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