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Old 08-07-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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This was predicted by Nostradamus. It's just a matter of time.
Aren't you the funny one here? lolz.
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Old 08-07-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Stephenville, Texas
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Thanks...glad ya'll know so much, lol.
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Old 08-07-2014, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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I would advise any African Americans reading this to avoid travel for the foreseeable future. If you even sweat in public on a hot day you are dead meat if you are in or near an airport.
Man, its hot and humid down here, 105 on the heat index - we can't help it.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:49 PM
 
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How arrogant. IF Ebola were to arrive in the US, it would kill at least as many people, perhaps more, than it is currently killing in Africa. Why? Because we are all still only people. White Americans have a longer history with tech than Africa and they still dole out the medical and tech resources to Africa with a miserly stinginess that borders on depraved indifference, but... when push comes to shove. You all aren't any smarter or better. You panic, you have superstitions and ignorance, and IF something like Ebola gets a toe-hold in the US it could do a lot of damage before being reigned in. I would advise any African Americans reading this to avoid travel for the foreseeable future. If you even sweat in public on a hot day you are dead meat if you are in or near an airport. That's how the US does national security. Plainclothes goons with shoot first, ask questions later orders. Low tech still works better in the profiteering 21st Century.

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What % of americans believe in laying hands on someone to cure their Ebola?

How many hospitals could effectively deal with this?

How many trained medical personnel?

Sorry, but its things like this that describe exactly why the US will have less problems then this.

Liberia has .03 doctors per 1000 people. The US? 2.3 per 1000. Think about that.

We are in fact better capable of handling this in our country. Low tech does not work better.
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Old 08-07-2014, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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What % of americans believe in laying hands on someone to cure their Ebola?

How many hospitals could effectively deal with this?

How many trained medical personnel?

Sorry, but its things like this that describe exactly why the US will have less problems then this.

Liberia has .03 doctors per 1000 people. The US? 2.3 per 1000. Think about that.

We are in fact better capable of handling this in our country. Low tech does not work better.
No one has time to get to a faith healer when they get Ebola. You are at the office. You convulse. Anyone nearby is going to come to your aid. Unprotected, untrained, unprepared for your sudden bout of projectile vomiting... ... you are at home... you fall ill.. "what's the matter honey... ..." you are on a train... you fall ill, the correct response is to flee the carriage and let your doomed body wait for properly attired medical intervention, even if its too late. What are the chances of that happening... ??... do I need to go on?

They think as many as 70 people had direct or indirect contact with Paul Sawyer in just one part of one day and there are already known deaths directly attributable to him. Only 5 are medical personnel. They are the ones we know about because they have higher visibility. Doctors are almost irrelevant when dealing with a disease for which there is no cure. I would argue nurses and technicians are far more important so telling me how many doctors per 1000 people just sounds like so much American braggadocio.

The low tech I referred to was the very low tech of simply gunning down suspect carriers vs. costly hospitalization and testing. Lets hope it doesn't come to that here in the U.S. They are in for a rough time of it in Nigeria, however, I am afraid. Some ugly things may be witnessed before this burns itself out.

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Old 08-07-2014, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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That's not the first time something like that has happened.

Unfortunately, there's a huge class of people in the US who consider bums more valuable than the rest of us. The 'homeless' not only are potential sources of pandemics; they continually commit violence and property damage; as well as lowering the quality of life everywhere they go. But some Americans would rather live at their mercy than do anything about them.
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Old 08-07-2014, 09:19 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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If Ebola "doesn't spread that easily where public hygiene is good" how is it that doctors that wear HAZMAT suits and take every precaution to avoid infection are developing the disease?



Spanish Flu killed more people than the Black Plague of Europe. Attempting to downplay the Ebola threat by comparing the two is like trying to downplay the danger of the 16 kiloton Hiroshima bomb by comparing it to a 40 megaton ICBM.



The reason why this Ebola outbreak seems "much more contagious" is because Ebola has historically affected remote areas of Africa with little to no infrastructure. As such, the Ebola victims dies long before they could be transported to a major urban center. Unfortunately, this time around it is affecting a major urban center and we are seeing the beginnings of what could potentially be a major pandemic if the outbreak is not contained ASAP.

Let's not fool ourselves... Ebola spreads by contact with bodily fluids (including saliva and mucus) of an infected person, and the initial stages of the disease mimic simple cold and flu symptoms. This means that should Ebola make it to North America, the average North American would not even consider Ebola infection as a possibility of their symptoms. They could easily sneeze and cough all over new victims for days before the disease progresses to the point that they become diagnosed, and by that time we could have a major epidemic on our hands. The reason flu spreads among kids so easily is for these exact reasons. Kids don't take precautions to avoid infection. They wipe their noses with their hands and touch doorknobs without washing and before you know it the entire class is sniffling. Unfortunately with Ebola, that sniffling translates into a death sentence for 70 to 90% of those who get infected.



Try some intellectual honesty. How many of those 627,000 malaria victims died in First World countries with easy access to anti-malarial treatments?
No, it doesn't spread by sneezes and coughs ....... maybe it could theoretically as a one in a million occurrence if a patient coughed heavily on someone's open wound, but that's not how it's been found to spread normally - while on the other hand a flu can be spread by someone sneezing across the room, who's already left.

The doctors who got it were wearing suits that had been hand-washed and dried according to the pic above, and they were in close contact with bodily fluids. Plus they might have touched a carrier while off-duty.

It's not even close to a pandemic, it's less than 2000 cases in a heavily populated region with relatively poor hygiene, where victims have to be buried by hand outside the cities.

If a small cluster got started here in the US, people would be hypervigilant and paranoid about it, and certainly wouldn't bury dead by hand, nor would people in emergency rooms schmooze with other patients who had a cough.

Ebola is a serious disease that is somewhat communicable ....... but it's not worth freaking over and diving into the bunker unless it mutates to a more contagious form.
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Old 08-07-2014, 09:29 PM
 
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Tor_Nado:
That's not the first time something like that has happened.

Unfortunately, there's a huge class of people in the US who consider bums more valuable than the rest of us. The 'homeless' not only are potential sources of pandemics; they continually commit violence and property damage; as well as lowering the quality of life everywhere they go. But some Americans would rather live at their mercy than do anything about them.
There is nothing to be done unless we invest in some mental health services. When we closed the asylums, we began housing our mentally ill on the streets.
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Old 08-07-2014, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Tor_Nado:
That's not the first time something like that has happened.

Unfortunately, there's a huge class of people in the US who consider bums more valuable than the rest of us. The 'homeless' not only are potential sources of pandemics; they continually commit violence and property damage; as well as lowering the quality of life everywhere they go. But some Americans would rather live at their mercy than do anything about them.


Let's round them all up and kill them, amirite, amirite?
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Maryland not Murlin
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With the recent concern over Ebola patients arriving at US hospitals, the threat of epidemics, spread either by natural means or introduced by terroristic or other agenda-driven means has come up for discussion.

What seems to be overlooked is how easily any of these situations can be brought about; and one need only look at most major cities. Where would be the most logical place for a pandemic to originate?

The answer is that it could originate among a population that is already full of high-risk disease carriers and intermingles with the general population: in other words, the bums (or in PC parlance, the 'homeless').

It's not a difficult scenario to imagine at all. Municipal governments are unwilling to control this population---a population living in revolting sanitary conditions and infesting every public space used by the general population. For example, a terrorist could easily introduce a contagious pathogen among this vile group: they contaminate one another in the bum jungles and food banks, spread out over a city and contaminate normal people and move from city to city without being traced. It wouldn't take much more than half-dozen such intentional contaminations in cities with high bum populations to initiate a nationwide pandemic.

This situation isn't without historical precedent; the typhoid epidemics of the 1890s were spread across the US continent by 'transients'.

In light of the seriousness of the Ebola pandemic, maybe municipal governments should start considering whether their 'tolerance' may not have serious consequences.
Sounds like you want an ebola epidemic to begin.

By the way, in the 1800s educated people truly believed as fact that pandemic deceases were spread by "poisoned mists" that arose from rotting carcasses. There was also a point in time when educated people truly believed as fact that the Sun and Moon revolved around the Earth.

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Tor_Nado:
That's not the first time something like that has happened.

Unfortunately, there's a huge class of people in the US who consider bums more valuable than the rest of us. The 'homeless' not only are potential sources of pandemics; they continually commit violence and property damage; as well as lowering the quality of life everywhere they go. But some Americans would rather live at their mercy than do anything about them.
How many instances are there of homeless stabbing people with needles infected with HIV? Links, please.

You do realize that a large portion of the homeless are Viet Nam vets, don't you? And not every homeless person is the scum of the Earth.
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