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Old 07-05-2014, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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Originally Posted by Mack Knife View Post
When did pregnancy become an illness or injury?
I suspect if you could get pregnant or raped you might feel differently.

Actually, pregnancy IS an illness...

 
Old 07-05-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
When and why did abortion become "healthcare" except when it comes to saving a womans life?

This isn't even about abortion. You and Mack keep trying to make it as such, but it's not.

Just like the good people in times past

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 07:01 AM
PJA
 
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Originally Posted by NLVgal View Post
This isn't even about abortion. You and Mack keep trying to make it as such, but it's not.

Just like the good people in times past

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
I'm speaking out for people's freedom of religion. I think it's good that no one lost their freedom in this case.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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I'm speaking out for people's freedom of religion. I think it's good that no one lost their freedom in this case.
You are nice, but I'm afraid you are on the wrong side in this one. These are also your freedoms that are being eroded, not upheld. Male or female, we are in this together.

Be well.

Stephanie
 
Old 07-05-2014, 07:24 AM
 
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You know, I really think we need to look at birth control for women differently than some chose to see it. Men and women have equal rights in our system. However, that does mean they are situated the same. First, birth control has a number of therapeutic uses for various women's conditions and diseases. This Supreme Court case does not say that an employer must pay for birth control when it is used for those conditions. Second, the act of sex has different consequences for women than it does for men. Men will never become pregnant and endure the difficulties that come with pregnancy. Third, providing birth control can prevent women from causing the health insurance system even greater expenses later. Fourth, while birth control isn't generally being given to treat or prevent a disease, IMO, it falls into a unique category of its own as a medication. If insurance will pay for a flu shot to prevent the flu, than why shouldn't insurance pay for a shot of deprovera to prevent a pregnancy? A flu shot is not "treatment". Yet, it has great capacity to prevent what can be a serious disease for some.

The reality is that while birth control may not be conventional medical treatment that with respect to women it occupies an important and unique role Our country cannot and should not remove from health insurance coverage something that is as important to half the population of the country.

Its a shame this decision occurred. It doesn't impinge on the religious freedom of individuals at all. It only impinges on their insurance companies.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 07:28 AM
PJA
 
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You are nice, but I'm afraid you are on the wrong side in this one. These are also your freedoms that are being eroded, not upheld. Male or female, we are in this together.

Be well.

Stephanie
And whose freedoms are being eroded again? Are women being told they aren't free to take bc pills?
 
Old 07-05-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Originally Posted by PJA View Post
I'm speaking out for people's freedom of religion. I think it's good that no one lost their freedom in this case.

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Originally Posted by NLVgal View Post
You are nice, but I'm afraid you are on the wrong side in this one. These are also your freedoms that are being eroded, not upheld. Male or female, we are in this together.

Be well.

Stephanie
Your freedoms (rights) should end where and when you go whining to Big Brother/Sister to interfere with mine; Please keep your imaginary "freedoms" separate from any designs on other peoples' lives, liberties, and property -- in the name of any supposed "greater common good".

Last edited by 2nd trick op; 07-05-2014 at 08:29 AM..
 
Old 07-05-2014, 08:27 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Originally Posted by NLVgal View Post
You are nice, but I'm afraid you are on the wrong side in this one. These are also your freedoms that are being eroded, not upheld. Male or female, we are in this together.

Be well.

Stephanie
As usual, the RW backed the wrong horse. The perception is - they are backing a corporation that is/has legislated birth control. YES, the IUD is birth control.

The end result of this huge overstep will be to alienate even more women.

Say good-bye to 2016, right wingers. You sank your own boat.

As more 'corporations' seek to save their wallet based on so-called 'personal beliefs', this Pandora's Box will soon implode.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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Stereotyping? Are you talking about my satirical remark directed at the OP's handle of ALPHA MALE?? It's called humor. I suspect that OPs handle is satirical in nature anyway. I wouldn't spend too much time worrying that I hurt his feelings.
Gee, it seemed like a pointlessly rude remark to me. Would you have said it if you agreed with the OP?

I feel that mockery and name calling, even if retroactively claimed to be in humor, demeans a conversation and changes it from a relevant and interesting discussion of the facts to a schoolyard exchange of taunts.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 09:44 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Acronym sounds like something to do with the male appendage.
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