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Old 07-07-2014, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Originally Posted by JC84 View Post
It always gets me that that party that shouts the loudest for personal freedoms is always the hammer that comes down on others' (unless it fits with their ideology)

newsflash-- birth control is used for more than just contraception. I'm on it because I have poly-cystic ovarian syndrome, which only responds to certain bc meds. It keeps my hormones and periods regular. And I'm one of the lucky ones that doesnt have allergies and doesnt need a IUD.

No one "shoves" abortion down anyones throat, we believe that everyone has the right to choose- since, you know, its THEIR life being impacted, not some Bible-thumping idiot across the country. If "shoving" is your definition of fighting to maintain lawful rights from invasive Christianity policies, then I would accept the use of that term.

What you don't understand is you can ****-shame and tell people to keep their legs closed until you're blue in the face, but think for a second-do you think that makes any kind of difference? Like because some ******* on the internet told me to keep my legs closed, I will? How about some actual, tangible proof, ie

Access to birth control minimizes abortions
Access to abortions minimizes unwanted pregnancies that usually end up on the government dole

Everyone knows the right obsesses over welfare so stop shooting yourself in the foot and accept the fact that limiting birth control isnt a wise idea for anyone.
I never said to limit access. I* said pay for it yourself. This isn't a religious issue here. There are probably many atheists who don't appreciate paying for someone else's med regardless of the kind of meds. Like I said, if you want to murder your unborn, do it yourself without forcing me to contribute to it in any way, financially or otherwise. Stand up and take care of yourself. I'm not having sex with you but you are determined to screw me and even the atheists who are opposed to paying out the nose for every liberal vote the Democrat Party cab buy via taxpayer funded handouts. I'll bet you even have a free Obama phone.

 
Old 07-07-2014, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Wandering in the Dothraki sea
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I never said to limit access. I* said pay for it yourself. This isn't a religious issue here. There are probably many atheists who don't appreciate paying for someone else's med regardless of the kind of meds. Like I said, if you want to murder your unborn, do it yourself without forcing me to contribute to it in any way, financially or otherwise. Stand up and take care of yourself. I'm not having sex with you but you are determined to screw me and even the atheists who are opposed to paying out the nose for every liberal vote the Democrat Party cab buy via taxpayer funded handouts. I'll bet you even have a free Obama phone.

How Christian of you, to fiercely defend a zygote yet show complete contempt for the existing poor. I'm sure Jesus would be proud that THAT's what you got from his teachings.

Guess what, we ALL pay for lots of things we don't use that others do--because that's what a civilized society does--such as roads, schools, insurance, etc. I don't agree with smoking but through my premiums and deductibles I still pay for someones lung cancer treatments. So what is it that makes birth control different than say, insulin? Why is one ok and not the other? Maybe its against MY religious beliefs not to "pay" for viagra, being that it serves ZERO medical purpose. But I do anyway, because I don't think MY beliefs should trump what happens in someone else's bedroom.

It all boils down to people thinking issues like this are only for loose women. Forgot those of us with actual medical needs for birth control.

Even still, I'm sure you're perfectly ok with "paying" for someone else's viagra, right? Because that's their choice? Something that serves NO medical purpose whatsoever, but because its not women taking viagra its ok, those dumb sl*ts.

Last edited by JC84; 07-07-2014 at 11:28 AM..
 
Old 07-07-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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How Christian of you, to fiercely defend a zygote yet show complete contempt for the existing poor. I'm sure Jesus would be proud that THAT's what you got from his teachings.

Guess what, we ALL pay for lots of things we don't use that others do--because that's what a civilized society does--such as roads, schools, insurance, etc. I don't agree with smoking but through my premiums and deductibles I still pay for someones lung cancer treatments. So what is it that makes birth control different than say, insulin? Why is one ok and not the other? Maybe its against MY religious beliefs not to "pay" for viagra, being that it serves ZERO medical purpose. But I do anyway, because I don't think MY beliefs should trump what happens in someone else's bedroom.

It all boils down to people thinking issues like this are only for loose women. Forgot those of us with actual medical needs for birth control.

Even still, I'm sure you're perfectly ok with "paying" for someone else's viagra, right? Because that's their choice? Something that serves NO medical purpose whatsoever, but because its not women taking viagra its ok, those dumb sl*ts.
Personally, I don't know of any insurance that pays for Viagra. Mine doesn't. How do you pay for someone's lung treatments unless they are also on a government subsidized health program? You wouldn't pay for my lung treatments in any way. You do not pay for my insulin. Why not? Diabetes is certainly more of a medical condition than is birth control and abortion. Feel free to send me a check to help out paying for my insulin. I picked up a 90 day supply yesterday and paid out a $92.00 co-pay. How much was your co-pay for your birth control meds? You didn't pay one cent on my insulin so why do you wish to force me to help pay for your birth control or abortions?
 
Old 07-07-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Originally Posted by JC84 View Post
How Christian of you, to fiercely defend a zygote yet show complete contempt for the existing poor. I'm sure Jesus would be proud that THAT's what you got from his teachings.

Guess what, we ALL pay for lots of things we don't use that others do--because that's what a civilized society does--such as roads, schools, insurance, etc. I don't agree with smoking but through my premiums and deductibles I still pay for someones lung cancer treatments. So what is it that makes birth control different than say, insulin? Why is one ok and not the other? Maybe its against MY religious beliefs not to "pay" for viagra, being that it serves ZERO medical purpose. But I do anyway, because I don't think MY beliefs should trump what happens in someone else's bedroom.

It all boils down to people thinking issues like this are only for loose women. Forgot those of us with actual medical needs for birth control.

Even still, I'm sure you're perfectly ok with "paying" for someone else's viagra, right? Because that's their choice? Something that serves NO medical purpose whatsoever, but because its not women taking viagra its ok, those dumb sl*ts.
No. If a man wants Viagra, he should pay for it himself. You don't know what I plainly stated? I said take care of yourself or let your sexual partner share in the expense. I'll stay out of your bedroom -- you stay out of my wallet.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Originally Posted by JC84 View Post
How Christian of you, to fiercely defend a zygote yet show complete contempt for the existing poor. I'm sure Jesus would be proud that THAT's what you got from his teachings.

Guess what, we ALL pay for lots of things we don't use that others do--because that's what a civilized society does--such as roads, schools, insurance, etc. I don't agree with smoking but through my premiums and deductibles I still pay for someones lung cancer treatments. So what is it that makes birth control different than say, insulin? Why is one ok and not the other? Maybe its against MY religious beliefs not to "pay" for viagra, being that it serves ZERO medical purpose. But I do anyway, because I don't think MY beliefs should trump what happens in someone else's bedroom.

It all boils down to people thinking issues like this are only for loose women. Forgot those of us with actual medical needs for birth control.

Even still, I'm sure you're perfectly ok with "paying" for someone else's viagra, right? Because that's their choice? Something that serves NO medical purpose whatsoever, but because its not women taking viagra its ok, those dumb sl*ts.
Just for your own education; were you aware that the taxes on cigarettes, cigars, snuff, etc., pays the brunt of children's medical services in this county? If you ever succeed in banning all smokers or making them stop smoking, you will then have to find another source of revenue to pay for all these children's medical benefits. How about another gasoline tax since they claim carbon pollution is bad for your lungs too? You go for that tax added to what you already are paying. I never said a word about loose women. I said pay your own way.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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Personally, I don't know of any insurance that pays for Viagra.
The Hobby Lobby insurance pays for viagra and vasectomies.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Wandering in the Dothraki sea
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Personally, I don't know of any insurance that pays for Viagra. Mine doesn't. How do you pay for someone's lung treatments unless they are also on a government subsidized health program? You wouldn't pay for my lung treatments in any way. You do not pay for my insulin. Why not? Diabetes is certainly more of a medical condition than is birth control and abortion. Feel free to send me a check to help out paying for my insulin. I picked up a 90 day supply yesterday and paid out a $92.00 co-pay. How much was your co-pay for your birth control meds? You didn't pay one cent on my insulin so why do you wish to force me to help pay for your birth control or abortions?
Hobby Lobby's insurance does cover viagra, which is the whole point here. They cover ONE USELESS MEDICINE but NOT something thats medically useful...and its based on shaming women. Admit it to yourself. You just contradicted your whole "I don't want to pay for your crap" argument. When I pay money to Aetna, where does it go? It collectively goes to covering things like insulin and chemo, for all of the coverage holders. Taxes work the same way. The money I put into taxes doesn't come back specifically allotted to MY needs- it goes to the collective.

If you're going to say you don't want to pay for other people's meds, then be fair across the board and don't pick and choose based on what YOU believe (it SHOULD be between a dr and her patient anyway)
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Wandering in the Dothraki sea
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Originally Posted by the_human_being View Post
Just for your own education; were you aware that the taxes on cigarettes, cigars, snuff, etc., pays the brunt of children's medical services in this county? If you ever succeed in banning all smokers or making them stop smoking, you will then have to find another source of revenue to pay for all these children's medical benefits. How about another gasoline tax since they claim carbon pollution is bad for your lungs too? You go for that tax added to what you already are paying. I never said a word about loose women. I said pay your own way.

Sure, Colorado is learning that legalized cannabis is a great way to make extra tax revenue that can be used for those things.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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The Hobby Lobby insurance pays for viagra and vasectomies.
I didn't know that. Mine doesn't and never has and I've had medical insurance since 1962. I'd have to read the policy and see what the qualifiers for coverage are. It's quite possible that in order for them to pay for the med you have to have a disease or injury that renders you impotent or something.
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Originally Posted by JC84 View Post
Hobby Lobby's insurance does cover viagra, which is the whole point here. They cover ONE USELESS MEDICINE but NOT something thats medically useful...and its based on shaming women. Admit it to yourself. You just contradicted your whole "I don't want to pay for your crap" argument. When I pay money to Aetna, where does it go? It collectively goes to covering things like insulin and chemo, for all of the coverage holders. Taxes work the same way. The money I put into taxes doesn't come back specifically allotted to MY needs- it goes to the collective.

If you're going to say you don't want to pay for other people's meds, then be fair across the board and don't pick and choose based on what YOU believe (it SHOULD be between a dr and her patient anyway)
Aetna is a group insurance policy. It's liabilities are spread out among its policyholders. Most group insurance does this. I'm all for this. I have a group insurance policy myself. I'll bet you that those receiving insulin or chemo does not get it free, even on your Aetna policy, but have a seep co-pay. Birth control on the otherhand is mandated by Obamacare to be without co-pay and a free service. You and I both know ttheir is no free lunch. The taxpayer - not just the other policyholders is helping to pay for this "freebie".
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