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Old 07-08-2014, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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not many- most women/couples practice birth control for a large portion of their fertile years...even those who belong to religions which supposedly don't believe in birth control.

 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:09 AM
 
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not many- most women/couples practice birth control for a large portion of their fertile years...even those who belong to religions which supposedly don't believe in birth control.
Americans, Including Catholics, Say Birth Control Is Morally OK

Gallup poll from 2012 - "Eighty-two percent of U.S. Catholics say birth control is morally acceptable, nearing the 89% of all Americans and 90% of non-Catholics who agree."

Even the Catholics I know who believe birth control is morally wrong practice it.

The ones I know who practice calendar-based methods seem to have larger families than the ones who are mum about their methods.

This Hobby Lobby ruling has the potential to be a WTF moment for the over 80% of Americans who believe using birth control is perfectly fine.
 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I'm an old ERA War Veteran as well as NOW leader and it makes me so sick to think we are having to fight this all over again. Today's young women have no idea how bad it was in the past and how good they have it now.

Bosses and/or co workers try inappropriate touching and intimidation?- no recourse.

Good in sports? Forget getting a college scholarship for your talents.

Wanting to pursue medical school or many other professional careers? Forget scholarships or fair minded professors or even decent employment opportunities once you graduate.

Single and want to buy a car or a home? Forget it unless Daddy co signs the loan no matter how much money you make or have.

Single and want to get dependable birth control? Forget it cause doctors wouldn't give rx for BC to single women. Nor would they insert IUDs. Condoms still aren't available in most women's bathrooms.

Want a safe and legal way to terminate an unwanted or dangerous pregnancy? Forget it-for both single and married women.

Married and want a divorce for all sorts of reasons? Deadbeat Dads had nothing to fear when they didn't pay child support. Divorced women were discriminated against in housing. Throw a few kids in there and it was really impossible. The alternative? Pop valium all day long and hope to die.

Married with kids and want to work outside the home? "NO wife of mine will ever get a job!" echoed throughout the land.

Once these rights are taken away from today's young women they may begin to rally and see how much they stand to forfeit and start getting to work. You and I are tired. We did our part and we tried to educate our younger sisters and daughters and granddaughters. Now its up to them and their enlightened male friends and relatives.
As someone in the same age group, I simply cannot believe that we are again facing these barriers, which are in many ways worse than what we fought against forty years ago.
Worse because unbelievably to me, there are so many women who agree with this ruling or simply do not/refuse to see the ramifications of the myriad of rulings and legislation that has been passed in the last couple of years.
Too many instances of "I've got mine, too bad for you" in too many aspects of our lives.
I really hope that we've reached the tipping point, but, I sadly doubt it.
 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Why can't men keep it in their pants?
Because they are helpless when faced with their urges and desires, doncha know.
It's always the woman who is supposed to keep her legs closed as per these men who I suspect don't believe that rape is a thing.

 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Viagra and vasectomies have the OPPOSITE effect of abortion.

The decision was about the store owners beliefs about 4 types of birth control which they believe cause abortion.
They can believe whatever they want. It doesn't make it true. It has been noted over and over and over again that these types are NOT what HL claims they are.
At the crux of the ruling was an accepted lie, or at minimum ignorance, that the deciding justices embraced just as millions in this country embrace those same lies and ignorance.
They, and those who agree are no better than those who fell for the hysteria in Salem, Mass.
Same stupidity, different century.
 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:30 AM
 
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No but I do watch the news. I don't have my head in the sand.
Hahahahaha!!!! That's precious. You watch the news. Translation: "I'm just repeating the talking points of the ignorant blowhards over at Fox". Now I know you're just a caricature. Nice talkin' to ya!
 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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As someone in the same age group, I simply cannot believe that we are again facing these barriers, which are in many ways worse than what we fought against forty years ago.
Worse because unbelievably to me, there are so many women who agree with this ruling or simply do not/refuse to see the ramifications of the myriad of rulings and legislation that has been passed in the last couple of years.
Too many instances of "I've got mine, too bad for you" in too many aspects of our lives.
I really hope that we've reached the tipping point, but, I sadly doubt it
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If there is one human force that is greater than the march to justice, freedom, and equal rights its that of greed. Many young women today have fallen into that trap just like men have.

I think the real reason universal health care is controversial isn't any of the stuff I've been reading here. What it really is that a big segment of the population doesn't want good health care for everyone. What they want is something better for themselves. When health care is debated in other forums, you can always find these people and you can tell who they are from the type of arguments they make. If you look at the marketing many hospitals and health care systems are doing in this country there is much elitism to them. They boast of private rooms that are like luxury hotel suites more than the single or double hospital rooms I used to see. They talk about the "perks" (read that as things you can't get elsewhere) that are available to those who belong to their plan.

A comprehensive health plan that paid for birth control for all women (among other things) wouldn't have been a "hard-sell" in the sixties and the seventies because there was less inequality in the country. Or at least the opposition would have been "honest opposition" based on someone's idea of religious values (no matter how misbegotten). Today that opposition is primarily based on "trying to keep the poor down". Things were different years ago. Everyone in my school that I knew of grew up in a single family home. Some were pretty modest, but they were all single family structures with roughly the same floor plan. Every family owned one or two cars. People didn't take delight in making fun of those who had less than they did.

We live in a different country today than the one in which the battles over ERA and women's rights were fought. I consider myself more liberal than conservative. However, liberals have got to wake up to the fact that a large segment of this country has no greater goal than "ME, ME, ME". Its difficult to sell either universal health care or reproductive rights for ALL women in that kind of environment.

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Old 07-08-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Somebody's paying for it. So if that should be fully covered then so should their insulin as they said.
The person getting the abortion is paying for it. Abortions are not covered under any insurance. That's the last time I'm saying that, I shouldn't have to repeat it incessantly.
 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:44 AM
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The person getting the abortion is paying for it. Abortions are not covered under any insurance. That's the last time I'm saying that, I shouldn't have to repeat it incessantly.
No they don't always pay for it. And in this particular case the employer would have been paying a portion of it, which they shouldn't have to if they don't want to ESPECIALLY if its against their beliefs no matter how wrong you or I may think they are.
 
Old 07-08-2014, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If you are referring to this article.. Big unions could take big SCOTUS hit - Stephanie Simon - POLITICO.com, unions are pretty much looking out for themselves and always have been. Comes as no surprise to me. Unions may have been more prevalent in the 20's or 30's.. without knowing too much about them. It sounds like they are struggling anyway, but I live in a right to work state, so they don't make a penny here. So whats up the Alpha Male handle?
Hmm, even in right to work states some unions make some money. I live in Texas which is a right to work state but there are small unions.
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