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Old 07-10-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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What fence is in place NOW was once said to be impractical and ineffective. Have you noticed there are no trespassing in California?
Can't say I have.
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:12 PM
 
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So... I guess what I'm wondering is, what did you think was there?

There is absolutely no way that any country in the world much larger than the Vatican can have a physical presence along the entirety of its borders, much less the US which is relatively large.

Even the former Soviet Union only had snipers and checkpoints at certain spots where they knew there were a lot of illegal crossings, and most of the checkpoints were inside the country, and like in Arizona, it was primarily random or full population stops with racial profiling.

Even at the North/South Korea divide, there are places that are temporarily unpatrolled, and it's only 150 miles across and it's the most heavily militarized area in the entire world.

You can build and build and build and shoot and shoot and shoot but people will get through.

We see this again and again from the Berlin Wall to the rest of the Iron Curtain to South African Townships. I don't care how fascist you want to get to keep Mexicans out: it won't work.

The question is not whether you can make an impermeable border. There are no impermeable borders as far as life is concerned (human and otherwise).

The question is how to deal with people as people, and not as instruments of your political fantasies.

Last edited by MmeZeeZee; 07-10-2014 at 03:28 PM.. Reason: much -> much less
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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There is a piece of America 100 miles in from all of our borders called the "International Zone of Cooperation". In Maine, only about 2% of our state is more than 100 miles from the border. You see, the ocean is also a border. The Border Patrol and ICE have free reign in Maine.
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:35 PM
 
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people wont try to cross if you shoot at them.
There are plenty of people who would still take that risk if it meant they could possibly have a better life. I'm sure most of them are expecting to get shot at while trying to cross the border, but they still do it anyway.
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Old 07-10-2014, 04:31 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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You do realize there's a fence across the entire California border?

Mexico

Also, the flow across the border has slow since the 08 recession.
I wouldn't say the fence east of Calexico, CA would stop anyone.

Southern US Border Barrier
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Old 07-10-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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I wouldn't say the fence east of Calexico, CA would stop anyone.

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It's my understanding that the Secure Fence Act of 2006 built a substantial fence the length of California, and into the mountains of Arizona. This caused a shift of migration through the AZ mountains.

Mexico

They also have found tunnels under these fences.
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Old 07-10-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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It is one thing to mine the border, it is another to have busses idling waiting for the flock to cross the border so they can ship them around. Imagine when the word gets back home that they FLEW us to California on a jetliner. Coyotes must be naming their price now.
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Old 07-11-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: NJ
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There are plenty of people who would still take that risk if it meant they could possibly have a better life. I'm sure most of them are expecting to get shot at while trying to cross the border, but they still do it anyway.

no, there are not plenty of people that will cross the border if they were going to be shot at. there are some, but the number of crossers will be cut down to miniscule amounts compared to today.

and the reality is that you dont actually shoot people. once the real threat is there, they stop trying.
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Old 07-13-2014, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The Border Patrol has had a presence throughout the Intermountain West for many decades. Their duties don't end at the borders at all.
I'm sure the BP has units in every state in the nation now, as illegal immigrants from many different countries have entered the U.S. for a very long time. I once knew one who came from Ireland. He was eventually caught and sent home. A girl I know once had a boyfriend from Trinidad who was also sent home. While there are many Mexicans, there are also many from just about anywhere on the planet as well, and we need to remember this.
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Old 07-13-2014, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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Hey, I knew they weren't on the border--they're busy buying diapers for the babies and ordering tens of thousands of pairs of size XL-6X underwear for the bearded "children."
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