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Old 07-23-2014, 05:18 AM
 
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If anything, most conservatives want more emphasis on SKILLED immigration, and fewer unskilled.

Don't let your left-wing bias get in the way of reality.
Oh, really? Is that why conservatives have refused to pass any legislature to clear the green card backlogs for SKILLED immigrants or increase the H-1B quotas?

Don't let your parochial view get in the way of reality.
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:22 AM
 
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The better question is why do poor people with declining wages and low skills support immigration "reform" when they are the ones suffering under the weight of millions of newly minted low skilled workers.

Indoctrination, perhaps?

Enjoy!
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:16 AM
 
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The U.S. has a lower rate of immigration than most of of our competitors. We are hardly being "flooded" with immigrants.

We need much more, not less, immigration, at least up to Canada's level.
We are admitting one and a half million -- the size of a major American city -- per year. More than anyone else put together. And that doesn't even count all the illegals.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Because they want more cheap labor
That's ridiculous. Warren Buffett and Bill Gates do not need cheap labor. They've done just fine building businesses and wealth using the American salary system. They are, in fact, both humanitarians and extremely bright men. They are simply as fed up with our obstructionist congress as the rest of the country. You are projecting your own bitter ideology on others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/op...form.html?_r=0

Gates and Buffett call for US immigration reform

Sheldon Adelson, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates press Congress to pass immigration reform - The Washington Post
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Naples & Sarasota Florida
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You think they are saying this because they want cheap help? What makes you think these workers are cheap?If you think they are weed wacking your yard for $5 an hr. Think again.

These immigrants have ruined the workforce in the US. I feel like screaming everytime I hear someone say " they take the jobs that Americans won't work". Really? So EVERY SINGLE construction job needs to be filled by illegal's ? There is not one of the MILLIONS of Americans that would be willing to work construction? Where I live there are thousands of construction jobs working on homes, roads, bridges and they are all immigrants. They are driving the trucks, running the dozers and the cranes, doing to roofs, the tile, the stucco, the cement,etc.

I have a friend who was a dry waller and he can't get work because they have taken over and he said they won't even hire him because he doesn't speak Spanish.

Quit saying they have the jobs that Americans don't want.....that is simply a lie. Soon, Americans won't even be able to get a job since they don't speak Spanish.

Meanwhile the rich want this and then sit in their gated homes with guards and security systems and have nothing to worry about. We do!
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Old 07-25-2014, 07:47 PM
 
Location: International Falls, Minnesota
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The U.S. has a lower rate of immigration than most of of our competitors. We are hardly being "flooded" with immigrants.

We need much more, not less, immigration, at least up to Canada's level.
Canada has the most restrictive, corrupt, and discriminatory immigration 'point' system in the developed world. As well, they use rampant discrimination based on national origin. If you're an American - forget it - you won't get so much as a phone call from CIC (Citizenship and Immigration Canada). They hate Americans and the LAST thing they want to see is us coming there to steal 'their jobs'. They are very willing to take in anyone from all Muslim countries who have violent criminal histories, commit felonies while in Canada and never get deported, have ruined much of Toronto with stuffing 16 family members into a two bedroom apartment, they get welfare, food shelf access and welfare housing despite never working in Canada - as well, they don't speak either of Canada's official languages and their job skill set would, at best, qualify them for jobs as toilet scrubbers or clean up duty on aisle 7 at the dollar store.

So if you're an American who speaks both French and English, has travelled Canada extensively and knows more about Canada's customs, history and government than native Canadians, keep on reading, because the last thing they'll do is say 'yes' to any American wanting to live and work there. They'll search the deserts of the Middle East or the jungles of Africa before letting any qualified westerner in that would dare to challenge 'real Canadians' in blue or white collar jobs.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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The better question is why do poor people with declining wages and low skills support immigration "reform" when they are the ones suffering under the weight of millions of newly minted low skilled workers.

Indoctrination, perhaps?

Enjoy!
That is an excellent question.

But I am not sure if the answer is indoctrination but perhaps more likely is simply lack of knowledge. The huge costs that legalizing millions of poor unskilled people is simply not being discussed by the politicians or the media.

For instance, what will be the effect of bringing millions of new workers into the labor force when poor and working class people have already seen their wages stagnate and their pensions & benefits increasingly disappear? What will be the costs to unemployed black youth? What will be the costs for additional competition for housing and rentals? What will be the costs for adding hundreds of thousands of children into poorer school districts? What about the water shortage in many western states?

None of these questions are being answered or even asked by the media. And too many of our politicians do not want to address them, they just want to appear PC.

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Old 07-25-2014, 09:04 PM
 
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That is an excellent question.

But I am not sure if the answer is indoctrination but perhaps more likely is simply lack of knowledge. The huge costs that legalizing millions of poor unskilled people is simply not being discussed by the politicians or the media.

For instance, what will be the effect of bringing millions of new workers into the labor force when poor and working class people have already seen their wages stagnate and their pensions & benefits increasingly disappear? What will be the costs to unemployed black youth? What will be the costs for additional competition for housing and rentals? What will be the costs for adding hundreds of thousands of children into poorer school districts? What about the water shortage in many western states?

None of these questions are being answered or even asked by the media. And too many of our politicians do not want to address them, they just want to appear PC.
"Let them eat cake."

You get the government you deserve.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Not sure if someone has brought it up, but a USA Today Op-Ed from a group of college professors in the fields of economics and public policy absolutely drops the bomb on this myth that America is lacking in tech workers.



Bill Gates' tech worker fantasy: Column



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Business executives and politicians endlessly complain that there is a "shortage" of qualified Americans and that the U.S. must admit more high-skilled guest workers to fill jobs in STEM fields: science, technology, engineering and math. This claim is echoed by everyone from President Obama and Rupert Murdoch to Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates.




Yet within the past month, two odd things occurred: Census reported that only one in four STEM degree holders is in a STEM job, and Microsoft announced plans to downsize its workforce by 18,000 jobs. Even so, the House is considering legislation that, like the Senate immigration bill before it, would increase to unprecedented levels the supply of high-skill guest workers and automatic green cards to foreign STEM students.




As longtime researchers of the STEM workforce and immigration who have separately done in-depth analyses on these issues, and having no self-interest in the outcomes of the legislative debate, we feel compelled to report that none of us has been able to find any credible evidence to support the IT industry's assertions of labor shortages.
Stagnant wages



If a shortage did exist, wages would be rising as companies tried to attract scarce workers. Instead, legislation that expanded visas for IT personnel during the 1990s has kept average wages flat over the past 16 years. Indeed, guest workers have become the predominant source of new hires in these fields.




Those supporting even greater expansion seem to have forgotten about the hundreds of thousands of American high-tech workers who are being shortchanged — by wages stuck at 1998 levels, by diminished career prospects and by repeated rounds of layoffs.



The facts are that, excluding advocacy studies by those with industry funding, there is a remarkable concurrence among a wide range of researchers that there is an ample supply of American workers (native and immigrant, citizen and permanent resident) who are willing and qualified to fill the high-skill jobs in this country. The only real disagreement is whether supply is two or three times larger than the demand.





















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When considering the credibility of the industry's repetitive claims of "shortages," it is worth recalling its history of misbehavior in hiring and employment. The most recent example was the proposed $300 million legal settlement of a class action against companies such as Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe for anti-competitive collusion to suppress the pay of highly skilled employees, including unlawful agreements to not recruit each others' workers.
IT industry leaders have spent lavishly on lobbying to promote their STEM shortage claims among legislators. The only problem is that the evidence contradicts their self-interested claims.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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That's ridiculous. Warren Buffett and Bill Gates do not need cheap labor. They've done just fine building businesses and wealth using the American salary system. They are, in fact, both humanitarians and extremely bright men. They are simply as fed up with our obstructionist congress as the rest of the country. You are projecting your own bitter ideology on others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/op...form.html?_r=0

Gates and Buffett call for US immigration reform

Sheldon Adelson, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates press Congress to pass immigration reform - The Washington Post

What a disingenuous post!

Sure, Gates is a humanitarian and a philanthropist---to people in Africa. Of course he is doing fine bringing in H1-B visas and passing over American applicants. He doesn't need to hire any H1-Bs so he tells lies about not finding enough Americans. You have to ask yourself why he wants so many H1-Bs when we have thousands of experienced American citizen IT workers who are unemployed. With his money, he can easily train Americans in the IT fields who have been out of work for so long that their skills have gone rusty. He can also help with relocation costs. Heck, he could even have them sign agreements saying that since they paid for training/relocation, the new employee has to agree to work for Microsoft for X number of years. If they leave the company before then, then they would have to pay them back for the training/relocation costs. Doing this would be no skin off his back.

You also have to realize that WaPo is unashamedly pro-amnesty/pro-illegal immigration/and pro-open borders.

The whole H1-B visa program needs to be abolished because 1) It is not needed when we have thousands of unemployed American citizen STEM/IT workers; and 2) The H1-B visa program is riddled with corruption and fraud.

What about "the best and brightest" you may ask? There is a special visa program for them. H1-Bs are NOT "the best and brightest". At best, they are mediocre, at worst, downright incompetent.
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