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Just yesterday it was in the news that Gates, Buffett and Adelson have teamed up to force Congress to ac on immigration reform. Two of them are Obama donors and the third is a Republican of sort. Of all the things a business has to worry about why is immigration any of their business? If they want a workforce there a lot of people looking for a job.
This. If people stopped arguing solely for ideological reasons, theyd realize that the corporate class is trying to screw us all over.
The scam about H-1B workers and desperately needing foreign workers is the worst. We have millions of American workers struggling to get jobs, we have plenty of graduates in STEM field but they dont come as cheap as H-1B workers and because they are citizens, companies cant hang deportation over their heads to keep them in line.
Companies have already been caught advertising for jobs in America overseas without giving any American workers a shot at them in violation of existing rules. Companies want to do business in the U.S, take advantage of taxpayer incentives for new facilities, have full access to the American market but hiring American workers at a fair wage...not so much.
In short this is about reducing general wages in the U.S. at the demand of our corporate overlords.
I hear about this pay differential but frankly I don't know any Indian or Chinese who is getting paid less than others in the office. It is like low wage Mexican yard workers that I never meet. Anyway, this "shortage" that Gates and Zuckerberg are talking about is a farce. They would have you believe they have hired every computer science graduate in the country. Apply and see if anybody even gets back to you.
Gates and Zuckerburg I get. They are left leaning (though not openingly so)and see these people as future political allies as well as helping with their business. As for Adelson, I am mystified. Isn't he in casinos? Needs more maids for $8 an hour maybe.
Edit, I see you did mention Buffett
I hear about this pay differential but frankly I don't know any Indian or Chinese who is getting paid less than others in the office. It is like low wage Mexican yard workers that I never meet. Anyway, this "shortage" that Gates and Zuckerberg are talking about is a farce. They would have you believe they have hired every computer science graduate in the country. Apply and see if anybody even gets back to you.
If you look at the growth of technology organizations and the number of competent computer scientists (CMU, Stanford, etc.) graduating from good programs, you'll see that the growth of technology is much quicker. After all the good quality computer scientists are hired, you have low quality graduates from within the US (UMD, PSU, Devry, etc.) or good quality computer scientists from other nations. In a competitive environment, you want competent people. So it's not surprising that they only want people that will help them grow as a company.
After all the good quality computer scientists are hired, you have low quality graduates from within the US (UMD, PSU, Devry, etc.) or good quality computer scientists from other nations. In a competitive environment, you want competent people. So it's not surprising that they only want people that will help them grow as a company.
I personally know graduates of private, respected nationally ranked computer science programs that are put through 4 interviews, grilled on the phone, given mind teaser questions and asked to write code while on the phone and STILL don't get hired. You tell me how is it that Amazon finds someone from Mumbai who hasn't lived in this country one day and who knows what program he has gone through is more qualified than a Penn graduate? There is no STEM shortage or else salaries would have skyrocketed. They are stagnant.
I personally know graduates of private, respected nationally ranked computer science programs that are put through 4 interviews, grilled on the phone, given mind teaser questions and asked to write code while on the phone and STILL don't get hired.
Not everyone who goes to a good school is the right fit. They still need to be interviewed.
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You tell me how is it that Amazon finds someone from Mumbai who hasn't lived in this country one day and who knows what program he has gone through is more qualified than a Penn graduate?
Well, Penn has a great computer science program. It's also an Ivy League school. Their graduates are likely to find jobs. If the person in Mumbai/Bombay studied computer science at IIT, then they're probably better qualified for most computer science jobs in this country than someone who graduated from a mediocre program here. Not only is IIT ranked extremely high for computer and engineering programs, but Indians are better educated in mathematics and sciences than most Americans.
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There is no STEM shortage or else salaries would have skyrocketed. They are stagnant.
There is no STEM shortage because we allow competent workers from other nations.
This. If people stopped arguing solely for ideological reasons, theyd realize that the corporate class is trying to screw us all over.
The scam about H-1B workers and desperately needing foreign workers is the worst. We have millions of American workers struggling to get jobs, we have plenty of graduates in STEM field but they dont come as cheap as H-1B workers and because they are citizens, companies cant hang deportation over their heads to keep them in line.
Companies have already been caught advertising for jobs in America overseas without giving any American workers a shot at them in violation of existing rules. Companies want to do business in the U.S, take advantage of taxpayer incentives for new facilities, have full access to the American market but hiring American workers at a fair wage...not so much.
In short this is about reducing general wages in the U.S. at the demand of our corporate overlords.
i wish this would be given more weight in arguments about immigration. i am actually FOR immigration but then you realize, "there is alot of exploitation going on here that suits the corporate overlords JUST FINE". and it gets stickier.
i remember seeing a film, "food inc" i believe, that talked about a pork producer in north carolina, i believe, that only hires illegals, and then has them periodically busted and deported. they never have to pay them a fair wage, benefits etc and when they start complaining, ship em off. I don't see how ANYONE can be behind that, cheap labor hurts us ALL.
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