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Don't get me going about driving to Nevada and buying any firearm you want without background check!
Everything you want to be illegal already is. Don't learn gun laws from Harry Reid. It is preposterous to think that two fellons who have decided to rob a bank and kill a few in the process are going to make sure the guns they use are legal. BTW, background check is a Federal law.
Everything you want to be illegal already is. Don't learn gun laws from Harry Reid. It is preposterous to think that two fellons who have decided to rob a bank and kill a few in the process are going to make sure the guns they use are legal. BTW, background check is a Federal law.
I think you are on firmer ground defending GM.
You just don't get it do you. Only an FFL dealer is required to do a background check. Are you so naïve to think every seller at a gun show is an FFL dealer?
The ATF reports that between 50% and 75% of the vendors at gun shows possess a Federal Firearms License
In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published "Following the Gun," its analysis of more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to have the second highest number of trafficked guns per investigation, after corrupt FFL dealers. (Straw purchasers were the most common channel, but averaged a relatively small number of trafficked guns per investigation compared to corrupt FFLs and gun shows.)
Now that you've managed to turn the thread into a gun debate due to your lack of understanding of the subject matter, do you even care about the innocent dead mother, wife, and daughter?
The real tragedy here is the loss of an innocent life, and mother of children, a wife, and a daughter. rather than show concern for her you're more worried about your precious political angle over guns.
They are defense weapons in the hands of law abiding Americans.
No AK47 recovered, only handguns. With that many police following, if they threw it out the window (begs the question why) it would have been found.
Where is the AK47 that was reported to have been used?
What good is a shooting incident if the MSM can't fit a scary ole rifle into it? Especially for those sheeple led to believe only superiorly trained cops/soldiers should be allowed to merely look at them.
It has only been documented by regurgitated reports. They found the handguns. Where is the AK47? Just because the media reports it doesn't make it true.
Now, go take a look at the pictures. 20 police officers all firing at the suspects. Who on this earth would think for a moment that the hostages weren't going to be shot?
While I agree that the criminals had to be stopped, since when is it ok to forfeit the lives of hostages to do so? It is one thing to shoot with some chance of shooting only the criminals, quite another when 20 police shoot, each one probably multiple times and knowing that the chances of not shooting the hostages is nil.
Take a look at that vehicle. Now ask yourself how anyone expected a different outcome?
This was a turkey shoot. Where was the precision rifle fire instead of everyone blazing away because that is exactly what they did and those hostages were shot by police. No police were shot. No bystanders were shot. Criminal and hostages were shot.
Thank goodness there weren't more hostages or we'd be reading how many more were shot.
What is this, the Philippines?
Instead of immediately jumping to say all is good with the decision, think real hard about what happened.
Come on.
OJ rode around LA leading cops on a chase for some time. Why didn't they shoot at him? Wasn't he wanted for murder and wasn't he holding a gun in his hands?
You just don't get it do you. Only an FFL dealer is required to do a background check. Are you so naïve to think every seller at a gun show is an FFL dealer?
The ATF reports that between 50% and 75% of the vendors at gun shows possess a Federal Firearms License
In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published "Following the Gun," its analysis of more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to have the second highest number of trafficked guns per investigation, after corrupt FFL dealers. (Straw purchasers were the most common channel, but averaged a relatively small number of trafficked guns per investigation compared to corrupt FFLs and gun shows.)
Now that you've managed to turn the thread into a gun debate due to your lack of understanding of the subject matter, do you even care about the innocent dead mother, wife, and daughter?
Well, this isn't a gun rights debate. Gun restrictions would not have stopped this. I see this more as an indictment of the new police tactics. Out come the crunchentickers, hose down area with copious amounts of ammunition, hope they hit something. In this case, they did. A hostage. Hey...no biggy, right? The bad guys were stopped, and any would be hostage takers will know, in the future, a hostage is no shield. They are expendable. Acceptable collateral damage, in keeping with new , militarized, police tactics.
This shows the lengths police are allowed to go to now, in stark relief. In reality, this is nothing new. How many cases of hitting the wrong house and seeing the innocent and unarmed residents shot to doll rags have we seen over just the last few months? Swat teams have turned into wet work squads, patrolmen are using hi cap firepower in situations where twisting an arm would suffice. Its out of control.
Anti gunners seem OK with a lot of it, especially if the innocents who die in botched raids have a weapon in the house. That makes them guilty. Obviously these folks were waiting for some stupid cops to hit the wrong house so they could go for their gun. Wtfe. So, I see outrage over the death of this woman here, but the outrage is misplaced in many cases. Protect and Serve? Yea...right. Protect the revenue stream and serve their own interests.
Our police across the country, are starting to resemble Russian FSB more than what we think American police should be. And no, this is NOT a 2A issue. The whole Constitution is getting used for butt wipe, as police are granted more and more discretion and authority, enforced with the Taser, OC spray and the ubiquitous hi cap 9s and 40s. Getting snippy on a traffic stop will get you tased or sprayed. Moving "wrong" will get you killed.
The way the cops unloaded on the car here , rather reminds me of a bunch of teenagers with semi auto 22s that came on a big pile of glass bottles at the dump. Its flat scary! What really frosts me is that these cops will be viewed as heroes. Yea, the whole "hero" bit, that cops have had applied to them since 9/11. Heroes, yea, right.
They are defense weapons in the hands of law abiding Americans.
I agree, because what sense does passing laws when you can cross a state border and buy them.
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