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At the time, I'd heard he had been put into a concrete pour for some bridge being built. I'm not exactly sure if that would work, but that's the rumor that was going around at the time. This would have been in Detroit in the late 70's and discussion among kids in a high school, so I doubt it was a valid rumor.
I lived in Detroit when Hoffa disappeared. I worked downtown and took the Ford Fwy. to work every day. At the time they WERE building a new freeway...or an off ramp, etc...and I often thought he was probably under it in a 50 gallon drum. To this day I still wonder and it wouldn't surprise me. So even adults had the same thoughts.
Watch Stallone's relatively unknown movie, F.I.S.T. Every union has a cycle. Hoffa completed his.
But understand the world that formed him: No one in the twenties and thirties had any govt. on their side
and corp. used outright thugs and murderers.
Leaders risk, and to risk is dangerous. Everyone else that follows reaps the benefits.
Watch Stallone's relatively unknown movie, F.I.S.T. Every union has a cycle. Hoffa completed his.
But understand the world that formed him: No one in the twenties and thirties had any govt. on their side
and corp. used outright thugs and murderers.
Leaders risk, and to risk is dangerous. Everyone else that follows reaps the benefits.
Big Government, and especially Big Government n the hands of pseudo-"progressives" and do-gooders pandering to overgrown children, is the worst gang of thugs among them all.
The most effective helping hand is the one at the end of your arm; if you don't recognize this, you're part of the problem.
I use to live in Milford Michigan the FBI tore down a persons horse barn looking for Hoffa. Milford Michigan is allot of woods and back roads. The FBI never found him and replaced the horse barn with a brand new one. A bakery in town was selling cupcakes with two feet sticking up. They will never find Hoffa they have looked a a old lumber yard in Detroit and found nothing. Hoffa was cut up and put into a vat of acid. His son James P. Hoffa is now the Teamster's president. Jimmy Hoffa old local is 299 in Detroit.
I read the book "I Heard You Paint Houses" (in the mob, "painting houses" is slang for killing people), in which Frank Sheeran (the author) claims to have killed Hoffa, and I believe every word of it.
Hoffa was brought to a house for a meeting and soon realized he'd been set up (he saw on entering that the people he was supposed to be meeting weren't there). When he turned to run out, Sheeran shot him. According to him, it was fast, but Hoffa did know that he'd been had. Reportedly, his body was cremated. In other words, enough with digging up stadium parking lots and farmland; he won't be found.
Watch Stallone's relatively unknown movie, F.I.S.T. Every union has a cycle. Hoffa completed his.
But understand the world that formed him: No one in the twenties and thirties had any govt. on their side
and corp. used outright thugs and murderers.
Leaders risk, and to risk is dangerous. Everyone else that follows reaps the benefits.
Yes, and it is fools who stand up for corporations and think they will take care of their workers. Some do, but it isn't the majority, and guys like Elon musk are the minority when it comes to taking care of your people.
In the West Coast waterfront strike in 1934 people died for the rights the working class have today. I think it is disrespectful to those who gave their lives for these people to claim unions are bad. They have fallen prey to the anti working class establishment and drank the Kool-Aid.
Yes, and it is fools who stand up for corporations and think they will take care of their workers. Some do, but it isn't the majority, and guys like Elon musk are the minority when it comes to taking care of your people.
In the West Coast waterfront strike in 1934 people died for the rights the working class have today. I think it is disrespectful to those who gave their lives for these people to claim unions are bad. They have fallen prey to the anti working class establishment and drank the Kool-Aid.
Get off this topic, this is your second or third post on this thread and you are trying to divert the topic to your own agenda. The OP and the people here that are legitimately curious about his dissaperance don't care about your "working class hero" and "us workers vs. the Corporate Evildoers" B.S.
Hoffa was a two-bit thief, a criminal, a wanna-be mobster. The fact that he was head of a union was incidental and not relevant except it was the tool he used for his criminal activity. He was killed by other criminals and mobsters. It's as simple as that. The how, the where, and the when, is still unknown. It has nothing to do with your perceived corporate ills, the working class, "the establishment", or whatever your agenda is. I suggest you discuss your agenda in the P&C forum.
There's an interesting parallel here to another murder case involving unionism -- the killing of Mine Workers dissident Joseph Yablonski and his family. After the three actual perpetrators had been convicted and "turned" (The apparent leader, Paul Gilly, was a house painter, BTW.) the trail led through UMW local in another part of the country, and eventually, to heir-apparent W. A. "Tony" Boyle himself.
The trail in the Hoffa case appears to lead through Philadelphia, which underwent a series of killings of high-ranking Mafiosi back around 1980, including boss Angelo Bruno and second-in-command Philip Testa. Frank Sheeran was spawned in that environment.
Sheeran has, in turn, been linked to the late Wilkes-Barre / Scranton capo Russell Bufalino, who maintained ties to organized crime families in New York, Buffalo, and Philadelphia. But the "Pittston (PA) family" has a long-standing reputation for pursuing power through political influence rather than raw muscle. In sixty years of residence in Northeastern Pennsylvania, I can recall only a handful of cases involving Mafia violence, most of them in the Hazleton area to the south of the Wyoming Valley.
Bufalino did, however, maintain close connections to the late August Lippi, who reportedly exercised control over an enterprise known as the Knox Coal Company; which was engaged in the risky business. of extracting anthracite from low-lying underground mines. During the winter of 1958-59, The Susquehanna River broke through into a tunnel which had been driven under the riverbed, and too close to it. That incident too the lives of twelve men and brought an eventual end to the deep mining of anthracite in Pennsylvania.
A close friend from my college days, who was of Italian extraction and grew up near Newark, used to propose the idea that the Mafia would devolve into little more than a "regulated industry"; Given that the "Pittston family" continues its efforts to avoid public scrutiny, and is now headed by someone who started his "career" as Bufalino's chauffeur, I believe he has a case.
Where in the world did you get that? The general consensus was that he was "wacked" by the mafia/organized crime. There are many theories indeed, no theory mentions "corporate thug".
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Get off this topic, this is your second or third post on this thread and you are trying to divert the topic to your own agenda. The OP and the people here that are legitimately curious about his dissaperance don't care about your "working class hero" and "us workers vs. the Corporate Evildoers" B.S.
Hoffa was a two-bit thief, a criminal, a wanna-be mobster. The fact that he was head of a union was incidental and not relevant except it was the tool he used for his criminal activity. He was killed by other criminals and mobsters. It's as simple as that. The how, the where, and the when, is still unknown. It has nothing to do with your perceived corporate ills, the working class, "the establishment", or whatever your agenda is. I suggest you discuss your agenda in the P&C forum.
First, I'll post whatever I please, but I'll remember your little CD police badge you wear.
My theory holds as much weight and any other as all are unproven. Had you read the wiki link I posted you would have known that. You want to have a discussion then fine, but keep your bias to yourself unless you have more proof than anyone else.
Come on, really. A guy comes in to current events and post a 39 year old topic, so I respond with an off the wall comment, because it has never been solved, and won't be solved on CD. His motive is to paint unions in a bad light by tying them to organized crime. I sure as hell have every right to defend unions in this thread. Why not start a thread about how big of a Gay crook J Edgar Hoover was, because it's the same damn thing.
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