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This is an excellent point! So do we, I work in nursing homes. We've had a handful of residents over the years who have been pretty severely mentally ill, but often younger and still mobile. There have been occasions where they've done things like throw their TV's at staff (after which everything in his room got bolted down) but we have always (in 18 years) been able to handle it until the ambulance got there and never shot or even hurt a single person.
I do think there is not nearly enough training for officers in communication skills, and too much reliance on guns and beatings as a first response.
Unbelievable that this (white) guy was actually waving and pointing his gun at the officers, and they still just shot him once, in a body part designed to stop him rather than kill him. What determines why an unarmed man gets shot 9 times and an armed man gets shot once in the stomach?
Unbelievable that this (white) guy was actually waving and pointing his gun at the officers, and they still just shot him once, in a body part designed to stop him rather than kill him. What determines why an unarmed man gets shot 9 times and an armed man gets shot once in the stomach?
Well, if the man was incapacitated with one shot no other shots were needed. As far as I know, cops are trained that if they fire their weapon, they are to aim to kill - which, btw, is difficult even in the best of circumstances. They likely were aiming his heart or head.
And...it was not a single cop alone being bumrushed (if that's what happened in Ferguson) by a 300 pound 6'2" man.
There is a huge, huge difference in how they treat people from different walks of life, it's just the facts. With some people there is a presumption of innocence, with others there is a presumption of guilt, and the interaction that follows is largely dependent on which of those categories you fall into.
And regardless of the reason (or lack thereof) for the stop there is still nothing you can do. The only thing you can do is shut up and avoid certain areas. For your example, the area was a predominately black area. In my experience it is conservative areas.
Well, if the man was incapacitated with one shot no other shots were needed. As far as I know, cops are trained that if they fire their weapon, they are to aim to kill - which, btw, is difficult even in the best of circumstances. They likely were aiming his heart or head.
And...it was not a single cop alone being bumrushed (if that's what happened in Ferguson) by a 300 pound 6'2" man.
Just an alternate theory.
Cops, like everybody else, are trained to shoot at center mass until the threat is stopped. Sometimes that means death and other times it does not.
And regardless of the reason (or lack thereof) for the stop there is still nothing you can do. The only thing you can do is shut up and avoid certain areas. For your example, the area was a predominately black area. In my experience it is conservative areas.
IMO this is still America, and it is not supposed to be a place where you just keep your mouth shut while your rights are being trampled on.
That's what people said as the Nazis came to power, and everyday citizens began to lose rights little by little at first and then in huge chunks, "There's nothing we can do about it, just keep your mouth shut and do as they say".
Those who accept this as just the way it is IMO are like the frogs who its' said will stay in hot water and slowly boil to death if you let the water heat up in increments.
Well, if the man was incapacitated with one shot no other shots were needed. As far as I know, cops are trained that if they fire their weapon, they are to aim to kill - which, btw, is difficult even in the best of circumstances. They likely were aiming his heart or head.
And...it was not a single cop alone being bumrushed (if that's what happened in Ferguson) by a 300 pound 6'2" man.
Just an alternate theory.
They don't necessarily aim to kill, but to bring down the threat. That may kill, that may wound. It's irrelevant, as long as the threat goes down.
This video did not work for me but if the threat went down after one shot it was proper police procedure. I suspect this was a "death by cop" situation where it was determined that the guy was a major danger only to himself, in those cases the guy was just trying to get himself killed. The stomach shot? Center of mass shot - by the book. It's not only police that are trained in this - but also private gun owners that take firearms training.
Most of you don't understand the impact of a firearm round, and the debates that we gun owners have on what round will bring down the "bad guy" the quickest. Ballistic studies, etc. Because indeed, you can fire and hit a person and they won't go down, and those seconds when they don't can result in your death. It's a huge topic, with plenty of debate. If you are not a gun owner with exposure to firearms training - you would not understand.
I have heard of police overkill - dozens of shots fired at a victim by multiple cops. If it occurs in a span of seconds I could understand that. Police also miss - a lot. It's hard to predict in a span of second how many shots hit the target, and how many missed. But also police panic, police forget their training, some police are indeed thugs, some police are stupid. If the guy is down and alive and police keep shooting - it's obviously murder.
I'm not taking the police side. I have a history of complaining in these forums about police abuse as well. I am just saying, if you have no firearms training then most of you simply do not know what you are talking about.
Last edited by Dd714; 08-22-2014 at 03:15 PM..
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