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Old 11-14-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Democrats knew they were in trouble on election night Tuesday when a Virginia Senate seat that was expected to be a blowout victory began to come in much closer than expected.

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The democrats were not expecting such a result of this election. This means if Hillary runs in 2016 she has to dig herself out of a huge hole. America rejected Obama plain and simple and Hillary was part of the administration
If this were true (and it's not), then please explain why Democrats (such as Al Franken, for example) that ran as unapologetic progressives and liberals won their respective seats by huge margins.

Additionally, please explain why voters in red states such as Alaska, and Arkansas passed ballot initiatives approving progressive and liberal ideas such as the legalization of marijuana and the raising of the minimum wage.

I do not believe that voters rejected true Democrats, who were loud and proud about who they are, but they most certainly rejected wishy-washy Democrats who ran as "Lite" Republicans trying to play on both sides, such as Alison Lundergan Grimes.
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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If this were true (and it's not), then please explain why Democrats (such as Al Franken, for example) that ran as unapologetic progressives and liberals won their respective seats by huge margins.

Additionally, please explain why voters in red states such as Alaska, and Arkansas passed ballot initiatives approving progressive and liberal ideas such as the legalization of marijuana and the raising of the minimum wage.

I do not believe that voters rejected true Democrats, who were loud and proud about who they are, but they most certainly rejected wishy-washy Democrats who ran as "Lite" Republicans trying to play on both sides, such as Alison Lundergan Grimes.

I think the worst thing to happen in politics in years was when they started to color the election maps red and blue. In real life no one is 100% anything.
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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America didn't reject Obama they just went along with the Republican anti Obama hype just like the 2010 elections. Let's not forget the President was elected for a second term and on issues Hillary will beat down any and all Republicans.
Wow. The Dems need to take a lesson from them then. How many times has Obama lamented the fact that folks don't reject the policy so much as they just haven't been convinced it's in their best interest? Guess he just can't spin that "hype" like he thinks he can.

Apparently, it worked for the GOP.
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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If this were true (and it's not), then please explain why Democrats (such as Al Franken, for example) that ran as unapologetic progressives and liberals won their respective seats by huge margins.

Additionally, please explain why voters in red states such as Alaska, and Arkansas passed ballot initiatives approving progressive and liberal ideas such as the legalization of marijuana and the raising of the minimum wage.

I do not believe that voters rejected true Democrats, who were loud and proud about who they are, but they most certainly rejected wishy-washy Democrats who ran as "Lite" Republicans trying to play on both sides, such as Alison Lundergan Grimes.
You mean the Minnesota that was the only state that Walter Mondale carried? The most liberal and progressive state in union. And, I might add the state in which the Democrats lost there majority in state houses this year. One of the most taxed states, tops the list of welfare recipients, the state known for busloads coming to collect the easy handout money available there.

Yeeks! if they can't win there, they are totally lost. Look at the electoral map of Minnesota and you will see bright red. The only blue resides in the districts around St. Paul and eastern Minneapolis. Franken couldn't make a living as a comedian, but does well in Minnesota. He don't tell jokes, he is one.
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Old 11-14-2014, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Obama's problem is that he has been too conciliatory. If he was giving flaming speeches about the Republicans, his ratings would be higher, but it would probably be disastrous for an already polarized country. In the next election, the gloves will be off on both sides. I expect it to be a long and brutal election, and I expect the Republicans to gut each other before they even have a nominee.
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Old 11-14-2014, 05:51 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Some of what you say is true.

The sad part? You are waiting for people who "only think there is an election every four years" to come along and save you. And you admit it!

Even sadder: They might do it! They might be awakened from their uninformed stupor by a community developer who gives them a ride to a voting place, and vote for whoever promises that they do not have to learn or do anything in order to get by in life.
And that person will be a Democrat.
So? The old, white vote saved you this go-round. Do you have a problem with that? Would you prefer they stay home? One might argue that older people who are glued to their Fox News might be the ones that are uninformed.

I want young people to vote in every election. I want them to pay attention to politics. This is the world they will inherit; it's never too early.

Is it your premise that young people shouldn't vote? You seem to imply that they are so stupid they will vote for anyone who promises them a ride.

And THAT is why they continue to vote Democratic; we are just more in line with their values AND we value their vote.
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Old 11-14-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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I love divine retribution.
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Old 11-14-2014, 07:22 PM
 
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So? The old, white vote saved you this go-round. Do you have a problem with that? Would you prefer they stay home? One might argue that older people who are glued to their Fox News might be the ones that are uninformed.

I want young people to vote in every election. I want them to pay attention to politics. This is the world they will inherit; it's never too early.

Is it your premise that young people shouldn't vote? You seem to imply that they are so stupid they will vote for anyone who promises them a ride.

And THAT is why they continue to vote Democratic; we are just more in line with their values AND we value their vote.
I wish everyone would vote. But I also wish everyone would think it through and be informed. You seem to think old people and Fox news isn't worthy of your time. But ask yourself this? How often do you see what is reported on Fox or talk radio disputed and proven wrong?

We, "old white" guys have been around the patch. All we want is for the younger generation to enjoy what we had be they black white, yellow, red. Not change our modify or society to suit our wants and desires. We don't need hope and change. We need self responsibility and hard work. Most vote Democrat for one reason, more free stuff! Prove me wrong.

Unfortunately, "the world they will inherit" as you put it, at this time comes with over twenty thousand dollars of debt for every living citizen and unfortunately half of those will pay none of it. Truth is, if your the type to hold a job, your saddled with over one thousand dollars per year in taxes just for the debt. A good education if they are so lucky to get one, will leave you another forty thousand in the hole. But it is so much easier to **** and moan and hold your hand out. Blame all your shortcomings on the "old white" guy. And of course stick your head in the sand and let the Liberals give you even more. And vote for them of course to keep it coming. If you are a liberal with a job and continue to vote for this, your a fool. Sooner or later, again if your lucky, everyone grows old, and the vast majority comes around to be conservative. Actual experience trumps a dream every time.

Those liberal teachers failed to impress on you just what we are leaving you. Because in their minds the ultimate solution is Socialism or Communism. Then you (we) have nothing! If this is what you want there are plenty of places on earth to run to right now. That would be much easier than trying to convince us (old white guys) who don't agree with your philosophy. The hard work has been done. Go!
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Old 11-14-2014, 07:49 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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It's the same game.

President is elected on a wave of goodwill. He vows to change things and work with Congress to "get things done." Inevitably, the average person realizes that they aren't happy with their lot in life. Who do they blame...well they're mad at the President, but it's only two years into his first term. Wait, there's a mid-term election coming up, so I'll vote the bums out of Congress. The party NOT in the White House gains momentum simply from not being in the W.H. and being identified as the problem. The party in the W.H. loses congressional and gubernatorial clout and feels the pressure to work together with the newly elected senators and congressmen.

It'll be interesting to see if G.O.P. momentum will carry them into the W.H. in 2016. If that happens, don't be surprised if the House and Senate revert back to Democratic control, putting pressure on a Republican president. If a Democrat wins the W.H. in 2016, I suspect that the G.O.P.'s lock on Congress will remain and possibly get a little stronger.
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Old 11-14-2014, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
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If this were true (and it's not), then please explain why Democrats (such as Al Franken, for example) that ran as unapologetic progressives and liberals won their respective seats by huge margins.

Additionally, please explain why voters in red states such as Alaska, and Arkansas passed ballot initiatives approving progressive and liberal ideas such as the legalization of marijuana and the raising of the minimum wage.

I do not believe that voters rejected true Democrats, who were loud and proud about who they are, but they most certainly rejected wishy-washy Democrats who ran as "Lite" Republicans trying to play on both sides, such as Alison Lundergan Grimes.
If our newly elected Republicans are doing their jobs we will see some changes in the way people vote in MN to address this anomaly.

Mr. Franken's extremely narrow (and oddly fluctuating) win against Mr. Coleman a few years ago exposed some highly irregular practices.

We've got more votes coming in than there are registered voters for one thing. Seems strange, doesn't it?

Here are a few more "mistakes" which are being looked into:



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