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No one is against good health practices here or even a Wellness Program in & of itself.
The issue is about intrusion, control, and forcing individuals.
Also, I think that if employers were NOT so progressively intrusive on many other things, it would not resonate so much....it is the combination of so many privacy breaches, video/audio, FICO financials causing someone to not get hired, etc., not to mention the outsourcing/offshoring thing.....
One thing also not mentioned is that large anti-union companies like Wal-Mart actually hire investigators to pose as employees for a spell to hear what is going down, per union drives. That's the kiss of death for workers' rights to colletively fight for their rights as well.
Intrusion and control on so many levels, as much as current technology will allow, that itself is the issue, per employee privacy rights, if any exist anymore, that is.....
I feel sorry for the young people, in that they will start their work lives never knowing any freedom....
You can't lose what you don't even know you have..
So ask his mom and dad to step in, or a trusted authority figure. Apparently your H needs to someone in authority to run his life because he can't control himself. That's what you are saying without even realizing it.
Your personal anecdote doesn't make wellness programs look good, it just makes your husband look bad.
Also, I think that if employers were NOT so progressively intrusive on many other things, it would not resonate so much....it is the combination of so many privacy breaches, video/audio, FICO financials causing someone to not get hired, etc., not to mention the outsourcing/offshoring thing.....
One thing also not mentioned is that large anti-union companies like Wal-Mart actually hire investigators to pose as employees for a spell to hear what is going down, per union drives. That's the kiss of death for workers' rights to colletively fight for their rights as well.
Intrusion and control on so many levels, as much as current technology will allow, that itself is the issue, per employee privacy rights, if any exist anymore, that is.....
I feel sorry for the young people, in that they will start their work lives never knowing any freedom....
You can't lose what you don't even know you have..
Oh, it is not just young people. I caught a lot of flack for talking about these things at a public school where nearly all employees have college degrees and very few staff, if any, are very young. My degree was in Law, and I talked about this all the time. ADMINISTRATION tried to shut me up. The UNION asked me to represent them.
I quit working there. Not worth all the trouble for well educated workers who choose not to know their own rights.
Welcome to the machinations of the Medical-Industrial Complex! If you think employers dong this is mad, wait until the government forces it upon you, that is if they don't get all they need to know from the future implants broadcasting under your skin!
Privacy died some time ago and I don't quite get why people are upset over this since it has been going on with mandatory drug tests since at least the '90's. Perhaps the increasing scope is the issue. Again, this is technology and this is what technology is bringing to us. The only thing this will ensure is that people comply with whatever rule or health guideline that is created to keep them healthy, low-cost individuals. Who could argue against or disparage such a noble goal?
What I find utterly pathetic is how right-wing conservatives whine and scream about the government and its tyrannical intrusion into their lives. They pound their fists and stomp their feet about all of the freedoms they've lost - and they run to the nearest gun shop and clean out the place in this irrational fear of what might happen if a black Democrat is elected. Oh noez! And even now, Obama has been painted as the first "perfectly imperfect" person ever in the history of Mankind - because no matter what choice he makes on any given issue, it's the wrong one.
And ... while they're playing Minuteman with their tri-cornered hats, tea bags, and holding signs comparing Obamacare to the Holocaust (I thought I heard 16 million Holocaust victims turning over in their graves), Big Business is tearing their lives apart.
When businesses began rummaging around in people's personal, private finances to check credit scores; when businesses began using the credit score like the Mark of the Beast to deny basic services like electricity and heat to people with low scores ... no one really seemed to care. Privacy and freedom just didn't appear all that important.
And when businesses then began to dig around in people's personal lives by demanding Facebook passwords and unlimited access to any other social media sites, again, privacy and freedom concerns seemed to vanish. Many European countries outlawed these highly intrusive business practices - they were prohibited by law from checking credit and skulking around on people's personal internet pages. Not here though, not when you have a certain segment of the population who worship Big Business more than Jehovah himself. They didn't mind it if their boss got to read about every surgery, every moment with your kids, family problems, vacation memories, hell ... you might as well just invite your boss to live with you.
Now, businesses want unfettered access to people's bodies now. They want to take blood and monitor every pill just so they can find an excuse to slam you with higher premiums or even the entire cost. Granted there are a few lawsuits on this issue - but it won't really matter.
Because the government is the one invading our lives. Uh huh. Searches by the TSA at airports, census-takers trying to accumulate data, and other minor things - yeah, it all amounts to a massive secret conspiracy by the government to monitor what color your last turd was - because they really want to know.
Meanwhile, Big Business really IS probing every aspect of your life, monitoring you as if you were a child and they are waiting, like vultures on a powerline, for you to slip up. This obsession-like hatred of the government and Obama has blinded conservatives to the REAL threat to their freedom, but I'm just wasting my time since they'll continue to rub against the leg of Big Business and purr until they wake up one morning and realize they're no longer employees but indentured servants.
I have no tri-cornered hat but they are cool.
You are comparing the PC crowd - backed by laws which prevent anyone's feelings getting hurt - to the anti PC crowd.
Anti PC, conservatives or your choice of example "TEA party" people don't want government in our lives telling us we need wellness checkups. People have lived countless millenia without them and man is still alive and kicking. Why the push for it all now?
Those who championed PC causes champion the right of business to do what they want now Obamacare is law.
Can't they just put us in jail instead? We would get - for free - 3 hots and a cot, clothing, shelter and medical care.
No one is being discriminated against. So what are they suing for? Making someone take a health screening? It's ridiculous.
The information never goes back to the employer, so the employer will never know the results of your test.
The OP mentioned people lost jobs for not submitting (please cite source) The OP also put up graphic pictures what you 'must' be submitted to. That's what I was responding to.
ACA will change that playing field and we will see how when the employer mandate to a law the POTUS won't enforce.
Not enforcing the law is against the oath he took upon entering office=illegal=impeachable.
They had these at one of the companies I used to work for, and I thought it was intrusive. You did not have to sign up for this though. If you did it is basically free blood work and you get a discount on your insurance premiums, that's about it.
...it was shot down by the Republicans and the American Medical Association. "Socialism," they shouted.
Well, "single payer" *is* socialism. You can like it (there are lots of socialists around) or not like it, but calling something by its proper name is usually a good idea...
Sounds like some people need to find jobs at other companies. I've had health insurance for decades through various employers all over the country and have never had to endure anything even remotely like this. Heck, if we have a gym membership we get a discount! No one asks for blood, urine, or any exam.
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