U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Current Events
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-30-2014, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
2,294 posts, read 3,340,391 times
Reputation: 4829

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aredhel View Post
If the gun was a pistol, yes, a round would have to be in the chamber (which is how you have to carry a firearm if it's going to be useful in a self-defense situation). But you don't have to be strong to flick a safety off, and a toddler could easily do that unintentionally in the process of handling the gun.

And if the gun was a revolver, there is no safety, and if the gun is fully loaded there would be a round under the hammer no matter how the cylinder was turned. Revolvers have stiffer triggers than pistols, but a strong toddler (especially using two hands) could fire one.

The bottom line is that loaded firearms must ALWAYS be kept completely out of reach of small children. And that means that if the gun is being carried in a purse, that purse MUST remain in Mom's hands at all times, no exceptions. Junior can't be allowed to touch it, much less open it.
..............It would be interesting to find out if the handgun in question was a GLOCK. IIRC, Their :trigger/striker-fire principal (no external safety), would possibly allow this to happen if the child happened to pull the trigger.

Also it will be interesting to see if there will be any lawsuit filed against Glock if in fact that is the make of pistol.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-30-2014, 10:25 PM
 
2,540 posts, read 3,473,588 times
Reputation: 5570
Just...how??? Forget the safety settings. HOW, do you take a gun in your purse to Walmart along with a 2 year old, stick him in the shopping cart, and then let him play with the purse that has a gun in it??? How are these people allowed to reproduce?? Honestly, yes it's sad that the woman died, but I would've been a lot sadder if that gun ended up shooting an innocent bystander (or the child or another child!) instead. At least this way no one else suffered due to this woman's lack of brains.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2014, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
7,311 posts, read 4,154,596 times
Reputation: 18291
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth View Post
Aren't gun owners required to get training in this sort of thing in order to get their license?
Requirements for obtaining a CCW permit are set at the state level, and they vary in the amount of training required. (I'm not familiar with Idaho's requirements, so please don't assume I'm slamming Idaho here.)

But also just because someone has had training doesn't necessarily mean they'll actually APPLY that training. Think of all the lousy licensed drivers out there - they passed both a written and driving test, but you'd never know it from the way they drive.

Gun safety rules are extremely simple, but absolutely rigid - they must be followed 100% of the time. This shows why.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2014, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
7,311 posts, read 4,154,596 times
Reputation: 18291
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Griz View Post
..............It would be interesting to find out if the handgun in question was a GLOCK. IIRC, Their :trigger/striker-fire principal (no external safety), would possibly allow this to happen if the child happened to pull the trigger.

Also it will be interesting to see if there will be any lawsuit filed against Glock if in fact that is the make of pistol.
I hope if such a suit is filed it will be unsuccessful. It is folly to think there is such a thing as a child-safe loaded gun. One of the very first things any good pistol course will teach its students is to NEVER rely on the safety to prevent an accident!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2014, 10:43 PM
 
731 posts, read 1,374,293 times
Reputation: 681
That is so tragic. I'm pretty sure she would need a gun permit of her own to carry a gun. Surely, Idaho has laws about concealed weapons. Here, we can open carry, but no concealed carry. I am still of the opinion that it wasn't the gun's fault. It was the young woman's fault, it makes me sad she died from her own irresponsibility.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2014, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
7,311 posts, read 4,154,596 times
Reputation: 18291
Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilCookie View Post
Just...how??? Forget the safety settings. HOW, do you take a gun in your purse to Walmart along with a 2 year old, stick him in the shopping cart, and then let him play with the purse that has a gun in it??? How are these people allowed to reproduce?? Honestly, yes it's sad that the woman died, but I would've been a lot sadder if that gun ended up shooting an innocent bystander (or the child or another child!) instead. At least this way no one else suffered due to this woman's lack of brains.
What sort of person texts while driving? What sort of person thinks it's a good idea to strike poses for a camera while standing on the very edge of the Grand Canyon, where the slightest wobble in balance could cause a fatal fall? What sort of person tries to pet the grizzly bears in Yellowstone?

Let's face it, a lot of people are idiots.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2014, 10:54 PM
 
9,191 posts, read 9,269,502 times
Reputation: 28789
I'm waiting for someone who considers himself a "gun rights' activist" to argue that we should send the two year old to prison for murdering his mother since "guns don't kill people, only people kill people".

Who the hell needs a gun at the grocery store in a state like Idaho for crying out loud?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2014, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
7,311 posts, read 4,154,596 times
Reputation: 18291
Quote:
Originally Posted by markg91359 View Post
Who the hell needs a gun at the grocery store in a state like Idaho for crying out loud?
Someone who works in a job that requires them to make Bad People very angry? Someone who has a violent ex or an unstable stalker?

The young woman in this case probably did not need to carry a firearm - but some people do, and they aren't always the people you think.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-30-2014, 11:05 PM
 
Location: in my mind
4,754 posts, read 6,528,840 times
Reputation: 9496
This mom must have been very distracted if she didn't notice her 2yo digging in her purse, lifting out the gun, handling it, and then pulling the trigger. I don't know much about guns, so maybe from the time he had it in his hands to the time he pulled the trigger was only seconds..... but its still shocking that a 2yo would even be able to figure out how to pull a trigger, much less aim the gun at someone.

This poor kid is too young to even understand that "mommy is dead" - and he killed her!

What a preventable tragedy.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-31-2014, 12:38 AM
 
5,076 posts, read 8,505,850 times
Reputation: 4632
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth View Post
Aren't gun owners required to get training in this sort of thing in order to get their license?
Please cite the section of the Constitution where gun owners are required to have training or a license. The founding fathers did not require any kind of proficiency with firearms, in fact they specifically said the right will not be infringed. A requirement for a licence or any kind of training would infringe upon those that didn't have a license or training.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Current Events
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top