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Old 01-01-2015, 11:06 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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FYI I said many not all. Again you read into things that are simply not there.
Not at all. I read your statement correctly. All I did was invite you to post a link or two to cases in which parents were charged in gun accidents perpetrated by a child of theirs. It's encouraging that some states do have such a law.
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Old 01-01-2015, 11:11 PM
 
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Not at all. I read your statement correctly. All I did was invite you to post a link or two to cases in which parents were charged in gun accidents perpetrated by a child of theirs. It's encouraging that some states do have such a law.
Don't hold your breath.
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Old 01-01-2015, 11:28 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Perhaps you would have preferred her to utilize the rectum carry method?
Or the holster. I hear they were made for carrying pistols...
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Old 01-01-2015, 11:29 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Somehow, I have managed to live the entirety of my 54 years in two large cities without anything remotely resembling these scenarios happening to me.... and I do not stay in my safe little suburb either..... a lot of my work is done in pretty rough neighborhoods that paranoid gun nuts probably wouldn't even venture into.......
I have never had a fire in my house. I still have a fire extinguisher. Add "fire extinguisher nut" to my list of titles, if you will. I hope you continue to be lucky.
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Old 01-01-2015, 11:36 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. You weren't the one who made that comment. It was another poster who did that I was referring to.

But the topic of relying on police for protection is another example of extremism. There are LOTS of ways to defend yourself. Only one of them involves carrying a gun. For what it's worth, my mother had a home invader show up in her bedroom while she was sleeping. She chased him out of the house hitting him with a pillow. Gun enthusiasts will tell you that scenario is impossible, that a firearm is the one and only thing a person can use to protect themselves. That's simply not rational thinking.

We keep a baseball bat under the bed. We also have surveillance cameras on our house. We lock our doors. When I get it my car, I immediately lock the doors. I've taken self defense classes that teach you how to practice awareness of your surroundings and some basic moves to protect yourself in the event of an attack. I've been taught to recognize potentially dangerous situations and scams, and I avoid them. I don't open my door to strangers. Education and common sense can go a long way in helping a person protect themselves without needing to walk around with a gun. Is it foolproof? Of course not. But I'm not going to walk around being obsessed by the .00000001% chance of being in a situation where a gun and only a gun would have saved me.

Really, I don't have a problem with guns. I've got lots of friends who are cops and lots of friends who own firearms. What I have a problem with are extremists who can't comprehend anything that isn't black or white. They'll have you think that if you aren't carrying a gun, then you must be a moron who parades around in dank, crime-riddled neighborhoods, half naked waving money and yelling, "Rob and rape me!" Reality is, for every crime that was averted because the potential victim had a firearm, there are ten crimes averted by people who didn't have firearms.

It's the extremism, irrationality and paranoia that scares me more than anything. It just so happens that people with those characteristics are often the ones walking around with loaded weapons.
I don't think it's shameful not to own a firearm. I do however feel it is shameful to hate them, and those who do, when we both know that's who you will call and what you will hope they bring if you are ever in a bad spot.

Now, if your attitude is more as your latter paragraphs indicate, than what you initially expressed, fine. Don't want a firearm? Cool deal. It's not for everyone. BUT, don't knock those who do when you are counting on them.

That said, I too have a problem with the gun owner to which everything looks like a lethal force scenario. I firearm is not a talisman, an excuse, or anything but a tool. It's a force multiplier. Not a license to create or step into a problem.
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Old 01-02-2015, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Not at all. I read your statement correctly. All I did was invite you to post a link or two to cases in which parents were charged in gun accidents perpetrated by a child of theirs. It's encouraging that some states do have such a law.
Brooklyn Parents Charged After Infant Daughter Accidentally Shot in Hip | NBC New York

Mother faces criminal charges after son allegedly takes gun to school - LA Times

Father charged after 2-year-old fatally shoots herself - CNN.com

Father Charged After 3-Year-Old Girl Fatally Shoots Self In Head With Pistol

Second child this week shoots self with parent's unsecured gun in Detroit | MLive.com
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Old 01-02-2015, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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I wonder how cool the family will think guns are now. I find it ironic that the camp of gun people who carry them because they're so certain that crime will happen to them, then regard accidental shootings as something that could never happen to them.
I have yet to read anyone make such a ridiculous claim. This is another one of your fantasies.



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My guess is this guy will take the stance that lighting will never strike twice, and go about it business as usual.
As long as we are guessing any guess as to who wins the Super Bowl. Both your guesses woul be of equal value.
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Old 01-02-2015, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Don't hold your breath.
You can breathe I stopped after five or six. Your welcome to do your own search although if you hope to have any success I recommend against holding your breath.
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Old 01-02-2015, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Responsibility for what? Self? I've managed fine in 3 different home invasion/burglary attempts, thank you. No firearm necessary. Most people who are worried about it get an alarm system, and let that be the end of their worries. But, whatever. You seem to live in more dangerous terrain.
And must be that fact that I own a Firearm because I have yet to be the target of even one attempted Burglery or Home Invasion. Since you were too timid to include your location in your profile I can only surmise my terrain as you say is much safer than yours. Then again Virginia is very pro Constitution having been the home of George Washington, George Mason and James Madison among others.

Happy New Year!
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Old 01-02-2015, 05:28 AM
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/08/us/arizona-man-shot/

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Oh, good Lord.

Why in the world would any parent keep an unsecured gun where a kid could get it?
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