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Old 01-06-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Seems to me that the same people who complain that the US government and laws are bad are the same one's wanting them to be the only ones armed.
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Old 01-07-2015, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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And if things go badly? What will y'all do, fight 'em with hockey sticks? In all conflicts with an out of control government (read WW2 as an example) the one thing the resistance needed was weapons of all sorts. Do you somehow think Hitler would've been able to kill 6 million ARMED people as easy as he did? Government gone bad, prime example.

Does it get messy sometimes having the rights we do? Yes, yes it does. Do bad people take advantage of the rights the good have? Always. Since the dawn of time bad people took up weapons to take from others. Clubs and stones then bows and arrows, swords and knives and then guns.
So, the logical answer is to disarm the good people leaving them to depend on the myth that the police will save them?
Seriously? As recent events have shown the police, even with all their protective/offensive gear can't even totally protect themselves from bad people wanting to do harm, and not just by gun but axes,swords etc. So why should we be asked (told) to do more with nothing?

I fully stand by the idea "when you have seconds to live help is minutes away". We as citizens are the last line of defense against those that might want to take what we have be it property or life by force.

I have something for you to ponder. On your border with Montana for years every time some possibly armed criminal rushed the border the border officers would RUN, abandoning their station letting the criminal (or nutcase) free to enter Canada.
Why???? they were unarmed.

Do I blame them? No, I wouldn't want to face a possible armed person without anything more than a pen,baton and my voice.

So, what was done about this if anything?
You do realize that it's not the 1940's and that your government, well almost every government, has weapons that can far outstrip any group or groups of people with guns?

As for Montana, it's the first I've heard of this. However I do know that anyone " running " the border were picked up by police. I'd like you to show me a case where one wasn't.
Border guards are now armed, but it didn't do any good for this guard.

Canadian border guard shot at B.C. crossing | CTV News
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Old 01-08-2015, 10:22 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Nothing the DoD actually needs. Make work--"painting rocks"--yeah. Fight a war? No.



Make work. If all you want to do is keep a bunch of kids busy, put that burden on some other agency, not the DoD.



Ah, so this plan to quadruple the size of the DoD with a bunch of useless bodies includes not buying equipment the DoD needs and changing the national tax basis.



Border patrol takes trained adults, not 18-year-olds nursing a conscription grudge.



Most welfare does not go to the unmarried 18-year-olds that would be drafted, so you can't just take that money.



Right now that's being done by civilians who have jobs and like having jobs. So you're going to stick a knife in the civilian economy to pay for this useless bunch of conscripts.



Besides the fact that we're still talking about relatively untrained people, your real goal here is to create a huge military police force. Hmm.



So now you're talking about truly socializing medicine. You're not talking about 18-year-old conscripts anymore, you're talking about some very expensive training.



I gotta believe you're just pulling my leg.
and your alternatives would be?? this attitude is a lot of the problem with our politics today..... People just saying the other guy's ideas SUCK, but not proposing modifications, alterations or any other ideas....
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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I only read a couple of posts but I have read several brief articles by the very left Associated Press and the way they made it sound is as if the 2 year old removed the gun from his mothers purse, aimed it at his mother and pulled the trigger.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: New Market, MD
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I only read a couple of posts but I have read several brief articles by the very left Associated Press and the way they made it sound is as if the 2 year old removed the gun from his mothers purse, aimed it at his mother and pulled the trigger.
If this did not happen then what happened? If you mean "aim" part is not right then I understand but remember he could have shot somebody else just like he did his mom if he didn't "aim" at mom.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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I only read a couple of posts but I have read several brief articles by the very left Associated Press and the way they made it sound is as if the 2 year old removed the gun from his mothers purse, aimed it at his mother and pulled the trigger.
He was probably standing his ground.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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You do realize that it's not the 1940's and that your government, well almost every government, has weapons that can far outstrip any group or groups of people with guns?
The gun nuts in this country like to fancy themselves some fully armed commando cowboys who can plow down anyone with their magic guns. They forget about the weaponry that our military possesses that can obliterate them before they can close their mouth-breathing mouths. It's pretty funny.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:45 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I only read a couple of posts but I have read several brief articles by the very left Associated Press and the way they made it sound is as if the 2 year old removed the gun from his mothers purse, aimed it at his mother and pulled the trigger.
"They made it sound like"? How else would he have gotten his hands on the gun and fired it? And what does that have to do with "left" or "right"?? The AP isn't "very left", it's just the AP. Was this a sarcastic post? There seems to be a sub-text to it that's unfathomable.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:57 AM
 
Location: southern kansas
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"They made it sound like"? How else would he have gotten his hands on the gun and fired it? And what does that have to do with "left" or "right"?? The AP isn't "very left", it's just the AP. Was this a sarcastic post? There seems to be a sub-text to it that's unfathomable.
I have no idea what actually happened, of course, but I can surmise that the child wouldn't necessarily have had to actually pick up the gun. Depending on how it was laying in the purse/holster, he might have just reached in for it, grabbed it by the trigger guard/trigger and squeezed a little. If the gun was pointing in the wrong direction, and the mother was standing in the wrong place when it went off.... well you have tragedy. No matter what actually took place, the gun wasn't secured enough to be in close proximity to a 2 year old.
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Old 01-12-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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He was probably standing his ground.

yup.... you know how cantankerous those 2 year olds can be....
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