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Old 12-31-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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I'm a 35 yr old city dweller with a young family, and I appreciate this perspective. I believe people have the right to bear arms, but I question whether that right should be as unfettered as it is now. Do people really need the assault rifles, or multiple guns for defense? You hit the nail on the head when you wrote the lines below:

"I just think the response to the actual threat is so often vastly over compensated that it can easily get you in trouble"


"Call me lackadaisical but if I am feeling I need several guns to defend myself from folks around me I'll just move."

Thanks for your post.
People own multiple firearms for a purpose, you can only really fire one, accurately,at a time after all.

-Collectors
-Hunters (you shoot a deer with something other than you shoot a bear with other than what you shoot a pigeon with, typically).
-Self defense (I carry my M&P9 Shield in the summer, M&P9FS in the winter. Clothing and purpose dictates.)


On to assault rifles...the rifles you can buy without NFA approval are not assault rifles. Assault rifles, by definition, are machineguns, as it were. Machineguns are highly regulated. What you can buy, are semi-auto rifles.

Why would one want a semi-auto rifle with a 30 round magazine?

I personally like them for sporting events, carbine courses, shooting at the range, and many I know hunt large "herds" of hogs with them. Also, it makes a GREAT! self-defense weapon in the home. The lightweight projectiles are not so prone to go through multiple walls and exit a structure completely, the 30 round capacity gives you adequate potential to deal with multiple home intruders (happens more than you think) even accounting for the fact that you may well not connect 100%. Just because you have 30 rounds, does not mean you shoot the home intruder 30 times. It means you CAN! Either someone is a threat to your life/limb/property(some states), or they aren't. The amount of ammunition in your weapon does not change that.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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The finger belongs on a non-movable part of the firearm with a unique feel until it is pointed at something AND you have decided to engage that something. I personally prefer the chamber/barrel-hood area of my M&P's. They all feel the same. They all feel NOTHING AT ALL like a trigger.

This would cut down on ND's and collateral immensely if all police departments and civilian training were to include this..
It damn well SHOULD include this! Trigger discipline is fundamental to gun safety!

A tip my instructor gave me was to go out and buy a toy gun or an AirSoft pistol and simply carry it around the house in my hand all day for several days in a row, concentrating on keeping my trigger finger on the barrel and away from the trigger. Do that long enough, and the correct finger position comes to feel natural and shifting the finger down to the trigger feels odd - which is how it should be.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Safety leavers on guns are real easy to click off.

Most guns have hair triggers which are easy to squeeze off.

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What do you consider a hair trigger? I think the lightest trigger I have is the Geissle trigger on my M4 style carbine. It's a 4.5# trigger. It won't go off without you wanting it to.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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It damn well SHOULD include this! Trigger discipline is fundamental to gun safety!

A tip my instructor gave me was to go out and buy a toy gun or an AirSoft pistol and simply carry it around the house in my hand all day for several days in a row, concentrating on keeping my trigger finger on the barrel and away from the trigger. Do that long enough, and the correct finger position comes to feel natural and shifting the finger down to the trigger feels odd - which is how it should be.
Yep. Some people teach frame (Frank Proctor tried to get me to go to the frame), and some teach barrel-hood/breech, as some weapons don't have a nice place on the frame for that finger tip (Craig Douglas, who got ahold of me first and got me stuck on using that).

Anyway, here is some sporting use/training. Me out enjoying my M&P9 at a Frank Proctor performance Pistol course:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9beSeCvRMlk
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: On The Road Full Time RVing
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Unloaded guns don't kill people, loaded guns handled wrong can kill people.

I have taken unloaded and stuck them in my mouth
and pulled the trigger, and I am still here.

If the guns were loaded I would be dead.

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Old 12-31-2014, 10:20 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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So you are say that the quote "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is only true some of the time.
Nowhere in that post can I see where you got that interpretation.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Unloaded guns don't kill people, loaded guns handled wrong can kill people.

I have taken unloaded and stuck them in my mouth
and pulled the trigger, and I am still here.

If the guns were loaded I would be dead.

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Keep playing that game and one day you will get a "bang" when you expected a "click". It's best to consider the weapon loaded 100% of the time. Much less bad can happen if you consider it loaded 100% of the time in the way you handle it. Not quite true of the other.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Unloaded guns don't kill people, loaded guns handled wrong can kill people.

I have taken unloaded and stuck them in my mouth
and pulled the trigger, and I am still here.

If the guns were loaded I would be dead.

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I see a Darwin Award in your future.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:32 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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I see a Darwin Award in your future.
Man Shoots Himself In The Head While Demonstrating Gun Safety « CBS Detroit
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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Unloaded guns don't kill people, loaded guns handled wrong can kill people.

I have taken unloaded and stuck them in my mouth
and pulled the trigger, and I am still here.

If the guns were loaded I would be dead.

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Why do some people find the need to announce their stupidity?
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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