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Old 01-03-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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sounds like a brave and determined little girl
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:22 PM
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€˜Tough little girl,€™ 7, survives plane crash that killed her family, braves harsh terrain


Tragedy strikes as a 7-yr-old loses family members in a devastating aircraft failure. At this point, many of us want to feel badly, and I truly want to, but it's difficult when understanding the circumstances behind this case. We have a 7 year old who came back on a private plan that is worth $800,000+ from Florida. How many other kids her age even get to ride a passenger plane to Florida and take these lavish vacations over their New Year's break? Probably very, very few. It's possible her parents have large life insurance policies, and expensive estate that she will collect. I was talking to my friend about this and she said, "Miss Has-It-All had 1 adversity for once in her privileged life." I didn't think to be so volatile about the situation, but I understand where she came from, and why she would feel that way. It's hard to have sympathy for anyone living a high-class lifestyle. The way I think of it is, if you want to live the high-class lifestyle, then you accept the risks involved in living that kind of lifestyle. I come from an upper-middle class situation myself, and I honestly want to feel sympathy for this girl, but again, it's difficult when there are so many other factors of wealth involved.
Not that it should make any difference but how do you know there are any factors of wealth involved? PA-34s have been produced since 1971 and are available from ~ $110K and may well be used as business tools. Do you actually have any factual information about the value/use of this aircraft or did you just feel like singin' the blues??



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Now, I would easily feel badly for a little middle class girl who lost both of her parents in an accident after getting in a wreck after getting on their way home from shopping in their 2007 Suburban, where she was relying on her parents' modest income that she's no longer going to be supported from. She probably won't get much from policies, and she has to grow up without her parents. She probably doesn't go on a lot of vacations. I think that's the type of little girl I would feel a lot of sympathy for.
I guess you'd quickly close the sympathy bag if you heard they were returning to a $1.5M home, eh?


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Alright, I'm ready to get slammed, but I thought I would bring this up because it's a current event that I'm interested in.
What is your interest other than whining about people living their lives?

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It seems like then, if we hear a story about poor families struggling to the point where a murder happened over a financial situation, we think they deserve to go to hell for it, but we don't understand what kind of situation they were in, and how it was money that led to it, and without it, it likely would have never occurred because the stress would have been non-existent. Then, we feel sympathy for a situation like this.

I don't understand this world.
The only sensible thing you've written.
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:26 PM
 
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What a crazy post. No matter how lavish her lifestyle she is a child and a child not only needs but loves their parents. This is devastating to that little girl.
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:37 PM
 
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The child who survived an accident that killed her family...that child is entirely deserving of my sympathy! Not to mention the ordeal she went through to find her way from the site of the accident all that way to that house through such rough terrain all by herself! I feel for her, as I would for any child who is left an orphan by such a horrific experience.
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:44 PM
 
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‘Tough little girl,’ 7, survives plane crash that killed her family, braves harsh terrain


Tragedy strikes as a 7-yr-old loses family members in a devastating aircraft failure. At this point, many of us want to feel badly, and I truly want to, but it's difficult when understanding the circumstances behind this case. We have a 7 year old who came back on a private plan that is worth $800,000+ from Florida. How many other kids her age even get to ride a passenger plane to Florida and take these lavish vacations over their New Year's break? Probably very, very few. It's possible her parents have large life insurance policies, and expensive estate that she will collect.

I don't understand this world.
I don't understand a person like yourself. It's so amazing that this little girl survived a plane crash and then walked the distant that she did. She is an example of a walking miracle. I'm so happy that she survived. The fact that you're jealous of her socio-economic status is pathetic and says a lot about you.
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:52 PM
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OP, so your level of compassion is dependent on the balance sheets of the victims?
There are a lot of narrow, vicious minds on this site who believe that a lot more than that should be determined by that "standard".
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Old 01-03-2015, 07:04 PM
 
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You are one heartless human being.
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Old 01-03-2015, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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€˜Tough little girl,€™ 7, survives plane crash that killed her family, braves harsh terrain


Tragedy strikes as a 7-yr-old loses family members in a devastating aircraft failure. At this point, many of us want to feel badly, and I truly want to, but it's difficult when understanding the circumstances behind this case. We have a 7 year old who came back on a private plan that is worth $800,000+ from Florida. How many other kids her age even get to ride a passenger plane to Florida and take these lavish vacations over their New Year's break? Probably very, very few. It's possible her parents have large life insurance policies, and expensive estate that she will collect. I was talking to my friend about this and she said, "Miss Has-It-All had 1 adversity for once in her privileged life." I didn't think to be so volatile about the situation, but I understand where she came from, and why she would feel that way. It's hard to have sympathy for anyone living a high-class lifestyle. The way I think of it is, if you want to live the high-class lifestyle, then you accept the risks involved in living that kind of lifestyle. I come from an upper-middle class situation myself, and I honestly want to feel sympathy for this girl, but again, it's difficult when there are so many other factors of wealth involved.



Now, I would easily feel badly for a little middle class girl who lost both of her parents in an accident after getting in a wreck after getting on their way home from shopping in their 2007 Suburban, where she was relying on her parents' modest income that she's no longer going to be supported from. She probably won't get much from policies, and she has to grow up without her parents. She probably doesn't go on a lot of vacations. I think that's the type of little girl I would feel a lot of sympathy for.


Alright, I'm ready to get slammed, but I thought I would bring this up because it's a current event that I'm interested in.

It seems like then, if we hear a story about poor families struggling to the point where a murder happened over a financial situation, we think they deserve to go to hell for it, but we don't understand what kind of situation they were in, and how it was money that led to it, and without it, it likely would have never occurred because the stress would have been non-existent. Then, we feel sympathy for a situation like this.

I don't understand this world.
No, you don't.

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Wow. OP you need a reality check.
I'm about to give her one now.

You voted for Obama and change, right?

Where do you get off with the $800,000 aircraft routine???

It's a PA-34 or more commonly known as a Piper Seneca.

Here is a Piper Seneca for sale, 1980 PIPER PA-34 Seneca, which can be purchased for $110,000 which, last time I did my math, is a long way from the $800,000 you mistakenly claimed.



Actually if you offered $100,000 the owner would most likely take the offer.

I've flown a Seneca and it's a little underpowered for my taste but it is reasonably priced

Having been a pilot for 45 years flying airplanes can get a little pricey but there are ways around it which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

My last airplane was a PA28/200R that was $90,000 and when I say "we" there were four of us and the four of us would defray the fixed cost of ownership.

We each put in $25,000 (that is a lot of money but not a billionaires ransom) which we used to purchase the airplane, rent a spot in a T hanger ($200/month) and purchase insurance which was $4,700 for the four of us.

We added up the fixed cost of hanger rent, insurance and cost of annual inspection and split those cost four ways payable in monthly dues. My monthly cost was $250 whether I flew the airplane or not. That was the cost of ownership.

To fly we each paid our own gasoline which is properly called aviation fuel.

Engine overhaul is $25,000 and Lycoming had our engine at 2,000 hours but we figured 1,800. Engine overhaul was $14 per hour so I had to pay $14/flight hour (hobbs hour which only runs when the engine is running with the hobbs meter activated by oil pressure).

So I paid $250/month and if I flew 20 hours (2,800 hours @ 140 mph) for which I paid $336 plus the fuel which at 9 gallons per hour would run $40/hour. Avgas is not cheap. 2,800 miles in a month would run me $1,330 or $0.47/mile.

That is less than what the IRS allows for automobile travel on a per mile basis.

As for the miles airplanes travel mostly in a straight line. If you are driving 1,000 miles on a road trip and I'm flying to the same destination it is not unusual at all for my miles to be 800 miles. That 2,800 miles I flew was actually closer to 3,500 in equivalent road miles so by comparison I was spending $0.38 per mile which is about what you would spend in your Honda traveling the same distance.

How would you feel if this family had driven the family Honda to Key West and had been killed in a road accident in Kentucky? Would you feel all better about it?

Many of us who fly have a passion and while I never was into boating or golf I know people who spent a lot more money on sailing and golf than I did on flying. My hobby wasn't cheap but it was my passion and as a trade off my wife got someone who worked hard to be able to do it, never drank, didn't like boats or even sports because everything I did was centered around the airplane. On the plus side my wife and I once flew 600 miles to have lunch in New Orleans but what is that to you?

So before you spew I would suggest you find out how the real world operates.

Oh, if he was rich he would not be flying a Seneca. Not at all, if he is rich then maybe a Cessna 425 Conquest which is an $800,000 airplane.

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Old 01-03-2015, 08:56 PM
 
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A 7 year old who survived a plane crash that killed her family is definitely worthy of sympathy. Regardless of her family financial situation (which none of us know). There's no amount of money that will bring her family back. She's obviously a tough, smart girl.
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Old 01-03-2015, 09:08 PM
 
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That poor girl.

As for the OP, wow.
Grow up.
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