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Old 01-06-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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What did they expect?? When something that was once illegal then made legal and brought out of the shadows people who would have never thought to try it will and the people that have been using it all along may get careless with their stash since they don't need to hide it.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/surge-i...307309887.html


The same can be said for pornography. What was once relegated to the bad section of town is now all over movies, TV, and sex scandals that at one time would have sunk a politicians or celebrities career is now par for the course.
Look at other things that are threatening the moral fiber of America like illegal aliens. Never before have they had more rights given to them by do gooder law makers while all the time they are breaking laws. How about the protests against Police? People used to respect the badge and the only people that hated cops were the criminals now it is left over hippies from the occupy wall street movement.

My point is once the walls of something that was illegal are eroded and broken down so it is made legal there will be repercutions in the streets until the commotion settles down. I'm sure that once everyone has tried it the numbers of sick kids will decline but the moral decay of America will continue.

 
Old 01-06-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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The statistics they used in the article are completely skewed. They used data from before 2014 which was before MJ was even legalized.

As for the kids sent to the hospital, there was 14. 14 is a VERY small number no matter what you are looking at. The article then follows up in the next paragraph saying that teen treatment increased 66 percent between 2011 and 2014. Of course they don't say the actual count and again, MJ has only been legal for 2014. So, if you are going to blame the legalization of pot on issues, you cannot include years prior to 2014.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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"At least 14 Colorado children ages 3 to 7 were sent to hospitals in the first half of 2014 for accidentally ingesting marijuana products, compared with eight in 2013 and four between 2008 and 2011, SAM said of state data."

Hm. Let's see...

In 2008, your kid gets into your stash. You take him/her to a hospital. You go to jail and your kid is taken from you. Or if you are moderately intelligent, you just don't bother taking the kid to the hospital so that none of that will happen. Either way, kid probably recovers with no major ill effects after a good long nap.

In 2014, your kid gets into your stash, you are a conscientious parent in a state where it's legal (although maybe not that bright if you didn't have your stuff in a secure spot but whatever.) You take the kid to the hospital where they recover under observation. Child recovers with no major ill effects after a good long nap. Worst problem: hefty hospital bill.

Hey Todd...guess what...I live in CO. I don't like or use pot, personally. But the sky isn't falling here, despite the claims of plenty of scare tactics reporting sources out there. I could find 20 pages on the other side of the argument if I wanted to, but you've got the same access to Google that I do. Simply put, it doesn't matter. Nothing terrible is going on here as a result of our "legal" (not really) weed. (I say not really because we don't have the power to truly make it legal...the state just isn't enforcing the federal law.)

I absolutely expect that more parents will try and get help to get their teens free of pot, now, because loosening the legal stigma means that you can't just assume the law is gonna lock you up and take your kid, because little Joe Bob Junior has become a stoner. When I was a teenager, in Northern VA, pot was absolutely everywhere. Illegal as heck and everywhere. It would have been easier (and cheaper) for me to get then and there, than here and now.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd View Post
What did they expect?? When something that was once illegal then made legal and brought out of the shadows people who would have never thought to try it will and the people that have been using it all along may get careless with their stash since they don't need to hide it.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/surge-in-marijuana-ills-causes-cries-for-stricter-107307309887.html
Yes, there will probably be more people trying it, at least initially.

So?

That doesn't change the fact that, on balance, legalization is still more cost-effective in both menetary terms and overall costs and benefits to society.

You just don't like it, and you're trying to dress up your dislike as actual concern for people.

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The same can be said for pornography. What was once relegated to the bad section of town is now all over movies, TV, and sex scandals that at one time would have sunk a politicians or celebrities career is now par for the course.


What are you babbling about? How is pornography a problem? In fact, it's not. Again, you just don't like it.

As for sex scandals, how is it a problem that now they don't destroy careers? Do you really want a politician driven from office, or an actor to no longer work, just because of infidelity? How on Earth does that benefit anyone? Again, it doesn't - you just liked it better when the media ignored sexual piccadillos.

It really is all about you, isn't it?

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Look at other things that are threatening the moral fiber of America like illegal aliens. Never before have they had more rights given to them by do gooder law makers while all the time they are breaking laws. How about the protests against Police? People used to respect the badge and the only people that hated cops were the criminals now it is left over hippies from the occupy wall street movement.
Illegal immigrants?
Protests against police killings?
Occupy Wall Street?

What is the only thing these have to do with legalizing pot?

Todd doesn't like them. Yep, it's all about you. Self-absorbed much?

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My point is once the walls of something that was illegal are eroded and broken down so it is made legal there will be repercutions in the streets until the commotion settles down. I'm sure that once everyone has tried it the numbers of sick kids will decline but the moral decay of America will continue.
"moral decay" = people doing things that upset Todd.

So, we shouldn't have made legal once-prohibited things? Things like:
*Allowing women to vote?
*Allowing blacks and whites to sit in the same parts of restaurants?
*Repealing prohibition?
*Allowing interracial marriages?
*Repealing the Assault Weapons Ban?
*Repealing campaign finance laws?

Do you oppose any of those things that are now legal, but used to be illegal? After all, you're rambling on and on about how bad it is to legalize once-prohibited things. My guess is you either don't oppose any of those things.

So, while you pretend to have actual principles, all Todd has is an opposition to legalizing whatever things Todd doesn't happen to want made legal. What a narcissist.

Get over yourself.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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Todd should not come to Las Vegas...
 
Old 01-06-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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What did they expect?? When something that was once illegal then made legal
It was legal for the entire history of humans before it was made illegal in the 30's... and all for the wrong reasons.

If a kids gets into aspirin, Drano, alcohol etc they might just die (highly probable in fact).

If a kids gets into pot, they might take a nap for an hour or two, maybe even have an anxiety attack, but their health is not at risk (unless they become a habitual user while their brain is still developing).

You should get mad now that pot is becoming legal.

You should get mad at all the wasted billions for putting innocent people in jail.

You should get mad at your government for out and out lying to you about the dangers of Marijuana.

You should get mad at the federal government for keeping Marijuana as scheduled 1 (no medical value) despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

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Old 01-06-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd View Post
What did they expect?? When something that was once illegal then made legal and brought out of the shadows people who would have never thought to try it will and the people that have been using it all along may get careless with their stash since they don't need to hide it.
https://www.yahoo.com/health/surge-i...307309887.html


The same can be said for pornography. What was once relegated to the bad section of town is now all over movies, TV, and sex scandals that at one time would have sunk a politicians or celebrities career is now par for the course.
Look at other things that are threatening the moral fiber of America like illegal aliens. Never before have they had more rights given to them by do gooder law makers while all the time they are breaking laws. How about the protests against Police? People used to respect the badge and the only people that hated cops were the criminals now it is left over hippies from the occupy wall street movement.

My point is once the walls of something that was illegal are eroded and broken down so it is made legal there will be repercutions in the streets until the commotion settles down. I'm sure that once everyone has tried it the numbers of sick kids will decline but the moral decay of America will continue.
I assume you feel the same way about alcohol.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 02:41 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Darwin awards are always being given out regardless if illegal drugs aren't available to them. Some people always find a way to win.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Rockport Texas from El Paso
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Cape Cod Todd even your thread question is biased. Wouldn't it be nice if you had the intelligence and integrity to ask this question honestly?

In todays' Denver Post after a year of legalization -their poll showed Colorado voters would vote to legalize again if it came up again. how about that ????

It's brought in a bunch of tax money -- how much taxes do you contribute to Colorado???

It's freed up law enforcement to pursue more serious crimes.

Because of the Colorado and Washington experience there are up to 8 more states ( See Forbes Magazine) that may legalize it over the next 4 years.

I'm used to ignorance but to add distortion and dishonesty -- is a bit much.
 
Old 01-06-2015, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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What do illegal immigrants and pornography have to do with marijuana?

I'd rather it be legal so they'll stop ruining lives of people over some pot. Did you know that any person who gets student loans and is charged with ANY drug related offenses (that means even if you're arrested just for having a joint - marijuana cigarette - on you) you lose ALL of your aid for school? I've seen students lives ruined because they were at a party, got caught with some marijuana and then they couldn't afford to pay for school anymore. Some of you may say do the crime, do the time. But really??? Should we really be ruining lives over something that's no more dangerous (less in my opinion) than alcohol?

It's fine if you don't like it. Then don't smoke/eat/whatever it. But there are a lot of great benefits to this movement. You know alcohol was illegal once too, right? So were interracial marriages. So according to your logic, those things should still be illegal because they once were.

Also. NEWS FLASH!!! Just because you deem something immoral doesn't mean it is. PETA thinks eating animals is immoral, should we make that illegal too?
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