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Old 01-29-2015, 01:06 PM
 
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Kansas is having quakes that they are starting to suspicion fracking but they need more money to study it. I bet it won't be allocated.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Nothing about fracking is safe. It causes exponential increases in seismic activity, huge amounts of gas leak out which makes fracking dirtier than coal, the chemicals they pump into the ground and the gas they're trying to collect end up in drinking water supplies, and we have no idea what continued, widespread fracking will do to our environment.
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Old 01-29-2015, 04:35 PM
 
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Nothing about fracking is safe. It causes exponential increases in seismic activity, huge amounts of gas leak out which makes fracking dirtier than coal, the chemicals they pump into the ground and the gas they're trying to collect end up in drinking water supplies, and we have no idea what continued, widespread fracking will do to our environment.
Nothing about war is safe, either. But if we don't exploit our domestic energy supplies, and keep supporting jihadist sources of oil, we're going to have plenty of wars, terrorism, and eventually maybe nuclear armageddon once countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and assorted stateless regimes acquire nukes.

I'll take fracking any day over that bad stuff, thank you very much!
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Old 01-29-2015, 09:15 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Nothing about war is safe, either. But if we don't exploit our domestic energy supplies, and keep supporting jihadist sources of oil, we're going to have plenty of wars, terrorism, and eventually maybe nuclear armageddon once countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and assorted stateless regimes acquire nukes.

I'll take fracking any day over that bad stuff, thank you very much!
You're more likely to be struck by lightning after winning the PowerBall jackpot than you are to be killed by a terrorist. You're afraid of the bogeyman in your nightmares instead of the cancer under your skin.
And what about renewable energy? We don't need Saudis or earthquake-machines for renewable energy.
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Old 01-30-2015, 02:14 PM
 
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the chemicals they pump into the ground and the gas they're trying to collect end up in drinking water supplies...
There is absolutely nothing to indicate that, nearly all of the contamination which isn't a lot is from surface spills. Every site that has methane in the water has always had methane in the water. Stop getting your information form people like the director of Gasland.



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Old 01-30-2015, 04:08 PM
 
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You're more likely to be struck by lightning after winning the PowerBall jackpot than you are to be killed by a terrorist. You're afraid of the bogeyman in your nightmares instead of the cancer under your skin.
And what about renewable energy? We don't need Saudis or earthquake-machines for renewable energy.
Do you know anyone who was killed on 9/11? I do. A high school friend I grew up with.

I think you're belittling a very serious threat. ISIS is huge, with oil wells, refineries, tons of American military equipment, hundreds of thousands of people under their control.

Most of their money comes from oil. Cut off the oil, and you cut off their revenue stream and they become just another group of bearded savages who can be exterminated.

Don't cut off their revenue, and they can keep buying weaponry, paying their fighters wages, and topple governments.

And they definitely would like nukes.

As for renewable energy - yes, of course, we all want it. Eventually, we'll all be driving electric cars that go 1,000 miles on a charge, take 10 minutes to recharge, have solar cells on the roof and hood, and when you go home you recharge them from solar power you stored into fuel cells off your roof photovoltaic array.

But to get to that point -- we need money for R&D. Money doesn't grow on trees. We need a prosperous economy, we need people to have jobs, so that they can afford to purchase home solar, which will bring down costs and will help fund the R&D. It's all about the money.

Fracking will bring us hundreds of billions of dollars in new revenue, eventually maybe $800 billion a year extra money if we can take the business away from the Persian Gulf crowd, and help balance our trade deficit, and balance the fed budget, and provide hundreds of thousands of new jobs directly and indirectly.

All of those goodies, in exchange for a few little tremors here and there? Sold!
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Old 01-31-2015, 09:58 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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There is absolutely nothing to indicate that, nearly all of the contamination which isn't a lot is from surface spills. Every site that has methane in the water has always had methane in the water. Stop getting your information form people like the director of Gasland.
There can be many different minerals and gases found in water. And yes some water may have methane in it, either in trace amounts or in larger amounts. Studies have been done that have proven there were wells with trace amounts of methane, pre-fracking, that begin showing high levels of methane post-fracking.

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In the new study, scientists were trying to determine the origins of high methane levels in drinking water aquifers near gas wells in Pennsylvania and Texas. They found that water in the two homes had changed over nine months, going from containing trace amounts of methane to containing high levels.

The newly identified cases “caught this contamination in the act,” said Robert Jackson, a study coauthor and professor of environmental science at Stanford University.
Natural gas production contaminated drinking water in Texas, study finds - LA Times

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Defenders of fracking argue that methane is commonly found in drinking water in the Pennsylvania gas fields. However, most of this methane can be traced to gases generated as leaves and other organic matter are broken down by bacteria close to the surface.

The Duke researchers performed isotopic tests to determine that the methane they detected in water wells came from deep underground sources such as the Marcellus Shale, which holds pockets of natural gas formed from the decomposition of organic matter under high temperature and pressure over millions of years. The presence of the heavier hydrocarbons propane and ethane, consistently found in natural gas produced from the Marcellus, also suggest that the elevated methane levels detected are likely due to nearby hydraulic fracturing operations.
Duke Study Links Fracking to Methane in Drinking Water | Environmental Working Group

Stop getting your information from the oil companies.
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Old 01-31-2015, 11:09 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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There is absolutely nothing to indicate that, nearly all of the contamination which isn't a lot is from surface spills. Every site that has methane in the water has always had methane in the water. Stop getting your information form people like the director of Gasland.
Where is your information coming from? I see no articles or evidence to back up your claims.

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Do you know anyone who was killed on 9/11? I do. A high school friend I grew up with.
OK. What does that prove? Getting killed by a terrorist in America is still so unlikely that there's no reason to be in fear of it. You're several magnitudes more likely to be killed on your drive to work but you don't shake in fear every time you pick up your keys, do you?

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I think you're belittling a very serious threat. ISIS is huge, with oil wells, refineries, tons of American military equipment, hundreds of thousands of people under their control.
ISIS is a threat in the regions they're controlling. If ISIS-inspired American jihadists shot up a building here it would hardly be a blip in the statistics. And the intelligence agencies already monitor pretty much every communication everyone makes.

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Most of their money comes from oil. Cut off the oil, and you cut off their revenue stream and they become just another group of bearded savages who can be exterminated.

Don't cut off their revenue, and they can keep buying weaponry, paying their fighters wages, and topple governments.
We don't buy their oil. Frakking doesn't do anything to cut off their revenue.

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And they definitely would like nukes.
My bratty 10 year old neighbor would like a nuke. He's about as likely to get one as ISIS.

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As for renewable energy - yes, of course, we all want it.
That's obviously not true. The GOP hates renewables because they're beholden to the oil industry.

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Eventually, we'll all be driving electric cars that go 1,000 miles on a charge, take 10 minutes to recharge, have solar cells on the roof and hood, and when you go home you recharge them from solar power you stored into fuel cells off your roof photovoltaic array.

But to get to that point -- we need money for R&D. Money doesn't grow on trees. We need a prosperous economy, we need people to have jobs, so that they can afford to purchase home solar, which will bring down costs and will help fund the R&D. It's all about the money.
The way you improve technology is selling technology. We don't need to keep pumping crap out of the ground(with other crap) to further renewable energy. Green cars that are better than any ICE car already exist. I own one(a Tesla Model S). And making green cars and the equipment of renewable energy pays better and contributes more to the American economy. The GOP has been blocking funding to the renewables sector despite massive successes.

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Fracking will bring us hundreds of billions of dollars in new revenue, eventually maybe $800 billion a year extra money if we can take the business away from the Persian Gulf crowd, and help balance our trade deficit, and balance the fed budget, and provide hundreds of thousands of new jobs directly and indirectly.
All of those goodies, in exchange for a few little tremors here and there? Sold!
It's not "a few little tremors here and there." It's an exponential increase in seismic activity with unknown consequences and the drastic furthering of man-made climate change. What's the point of making all that money if the next generation or the generation after that can't live a better life then we do because the planet is becoming increasingly inhospitable? Aren't conservatives supposed be interested in, ya know, conservation?
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Old 02-05-2015, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Kansas city
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Of course! But you forget about erosion and other types of earth damages which can lead to earthquakes!
Fraking is very dangerous(and of course very profitable)branch, but it will be much better if people invent something more safe!
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Old 05-17-2015, 08:04 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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The billionaire CEO of Continental Resources told a dean at the University of Oklahoma that he wanted earthquake researchers dismissed

Oil tycoon Harold Hamm told a University of Oklahoma dean last year that he wanted certain scientists there dismissed who were studying links between oil and gas activity and the state's nearly 400-fold increase in earthquakes, according to the dean's e-mail recounting the conversation.
Oil CEO Wanted University Quake Scientists Dismissed: Dean's E-Mail - Bloomberg Business


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