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Old 01-08-2015, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I can't believe there's not a revolt against it.
There is already a revolt against it. Didn't you see Gasland? Haven't you read the New Yorker? Are you new to City-Data?

Governor Cuomo and the NY state legislature recently officially banned fracking. So there you go. Join the crusade.
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Old 01-08-2015, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Northwest Arkansas
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Fracking is only going to be banned in Liberal states. I do think that you can't deny the numbers of earthquakes it causes, just look at geological survey data for many midwestern states. I am not sure they cause MAJOR earthquakes, but the technology is still so new that we don't know that it wont eventually cause that. I do think it may be wise to try to find and alternative, because even the smaller earthquakes fracking causes can do damage.
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Old 01-08-2015, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I do think that you can't deny the numbers of earthquakes it causes
You certainly can. It just requires more work than looking at a chart and concluding something about a process you haven't bothered to learn anything about.

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because even the smaller earthquakes fracking causes can do damage.
A 2.0 earthquake is not detectable without a seismograph.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Westside Houston
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I have been in an out of Kansas for the last 30years , I ve never heard of an earthquake until this last one.
A couple of months ago, there was an earthquake in south central Kansas. My friends and family in wichita, about 30 miles away from the center of the quake. It damaged my buddies foundation.
But my parents home are ok.

I also have friends and ex co worker in OKC area, who has lived there most of their life, they too have never encounter earthquakes til all this drilling came around.

I don't know much about the earth, I am here to learn. But it makes an average person goes hmmmmmm.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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Please tell me that you do understand fracking causes existing cracks to widen, thus causing earthquakes.

If you don't understand and accept this fact, then you're rolling on the floor and laughing because you're clueless.
I understand that there is no need to frac a fault line, because a fault is a naturally-occurring fracture. O&G contained in the interstitial space of a fault is recoverable by simply drilling into the fracture.

And my laughing was at how clueless you sounded in your last post. No company man anywhere would spend millions of dollars to have a frac job done where a naturally-occurring fracture already exists.
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Old 01-08-2015, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Lynn, MA
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Fracking is only going to be banned in Liberal states. I do think that you can't deny the numbers of earthquakes it causes, just look at geological survey data for many midwestern states. I am not sure they cause MAJOR earthquakes, but the technology is still so new that we don't know that it wont eventually cause that. I do think it may be wise to try to find and alternative, because even the smaller earthquakes fracking causes can do damage.
Fracking is not new actually, we've been fracking since the 1940's.
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Old 01-09-2015, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Have a look at the two Quora links from my previous post.

If you screw up the fracking process, you can definitely cause or contribute to an Earthquake. Even with a very low rate of mishaps, that's still more than zero earthquakes. But that doesn't make every earthquake the result of fracking, particularly if there hasn't been an earthquake for thirty years and then there is one -- fracking has been going on for more than thirty years.

Only Shale Gas fracking is new and it adds less energy to the ground than other kinds of fracking.
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Old 01-09-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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I understand that there is no need to frac a fault line, because a fault is a naturally-occurring fracture. O&G contained in the interstitial space of a fault is recoverable by simply drilling into the fracture.

And my laughing was at how clueless you sounded in your last post. No company man anywhere would spend millions of dollars to have a frac job done where a naturally-occurring fracture already exists.
That's because I'm not a company man.

I'm an inhabitant on this planet who cares about my environment and I endeavor to be a responsible steward of it for myself, my family and friends, my fellow human beings, and all future generations, to the best of my ability.
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Old 01-09-2015, 02:19 PM
 
Location: southern kansas
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I have been in an out of Kansas for the last 30years , I ve never heard of an earthquake until this last one.
A couple of months ago, there was an earthquake in south central Kansas. My friends and family in wichita, about 30 miles away from the center of the quake. It damaged my buddies foundation.
But my parents home are ok.

I also have friends and ex co worker in OKC area, who has lived there most of their life, they too have never encounter earthquakes til all this drilling came around.

I don't know much about the earth, I am here to learn. But it makes an average person goes hmmmmmm.
Yeah, it was a 4.8 and the epicenter was about 10 miles due west of the small town I live in. It was the strongest one we've had so far, and the longest in duration. The epicenter was at the eastern edge of the county where a big share of the oil drilling has been going on for a few years. Most who live around here don't think that's a coincidence.
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Old 01-09-2015, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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I have been in an out of Kansas for the last 30years , I ve never heard of an earthquake until this last one.
A couple of months ago, there was an earthquake in south central Kansas. My friends and family in wichita, about 30 miles away from the center of the quake. It damaged my buddies foundation.
But my parents home are ok.

I also have friends and ex co worker in OKC area, who has lived there most of their life, they too have never encounter earthquakes til all this drilling came around.

I don't know much about the earth, I am here to learn. But it makes an average person goes hmmmmmm.
Here's a map of seismic hazards present in the US:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/hazards/p...a2pct50yrs.pdf

Here is a map of fault lines in the US:

Interactive Fault Map

Please note that there's a fault/seismic hazard area that sits directly under Oklahoma. In fact, nearly the entire state is at an increased risk for earthquakes.

Here is a list of historic earthquakes in Kansas. Note that these predate any fracking activity.

Kansas

Here is a list of historic earthquakes in Oklahma. These also predate any fracking:

Oklahoma
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