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Old 01-09-2015, 05:13 PM
 
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What?? your FREE CAPITALISM is allowing the foreign people to buy our land and ports they own our weaponry and specialty parts- they rising and we failing- 1/2 of our kids on drugs - 40% never graduate college and least 25 do not graduate high school while others over seas are excelling in the sciences etc. educate OUR kids!
QUOTE: Federal Reserve Bank of New York data showed that Americans collectively owe $1.1 trillion in student loan debt. By comparison, we owe $8.2 trillion in mortgage debt and $659 billion in credit card debt.

go watch the IVORY TOWER and see reality
I used to think like you. However, this latest maneuver by the Comrade in Chief has finally allowed me to put 2 and 2 together. Not only are we literally selling off the scraps of our cities to the Chinese, we are now about to embark upon a "Cultural Revolution" led by an actual "manchurian candidate" of a president, groomed from a young age in Chinese occupied Hawaii, and then again in Chinese owned schools in Indonesia.

The country has been fighting for years over the birth certificate of our supposedly muslim president, while providing a smoke screen for wholesale purchase of our real estate, ports, and pig farms. Now that they own most of american soil, and all of the foreignly held t-bills, they realize that the next step is to also "own" the minds of young americans. Much like they have already done in their African colonies like Kenya, they are now using our own Kenyan president to direct the country down a path to communist totalitarianism. Only the Chinese, with their genetically proven higher IQs could have concocted such a diabolical scheme.
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Old 01-09-2015, 05:36 PM
 
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If you can't find a way to pay your way through CC, you'll likely come out just as confused as when you started.

Strange my post said nothing about who was paying
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Old 01-09-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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You're not making sense. Most people don't want to wait tables all their lives. That's why they go to school.
Why would one wait tables all their life if they're only doing it to pay for college? I don't understand your point.
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Old 01-09-2015, 06:11 PM
 
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I used to think like you. However, this latest maneuver by the Comrade in Chief has finally allowed me to put 2 and 2 together. Not only are we literally selling off the scraps of our cities to the Chinese, we are now about to embark upon a "Cultural Revolution" led by an actual "manchurian candidate" of a president, groomed from a young age in Chinese occupied Hawaii, and then again in Chinese owned schools in Indonesia.

The country has been fighting for years over the birth certificate of our supposedly muslim president, while providing a smoke screen for wholesale purchase of our real estate, ports, and pig farms. Now that they own most of american soil, and all of the foreignly held t-bills, they realize that the next step is to also "own" the minds of young americans. Much like they have already done in their African colonies like Kenya, they are now using our own Kenyan president to direct the country down a path to communist totalitarianism. Only the Chinese, with their genetically proven higher IQs could have concocted such a diabolical scheme.
I have never heard anyone say something of the sort like this.

I am reading your post and I am like, huh, huh, huh?
Then as I am reading on, I was thinking, hmmmmmm, that is some interesting insight
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Old 01-09-2015, 06:13 PM
 
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Since I have no say so in the matter and it's my tax dollars then I'm going back to school for a 2 year degree.

Obama didn't limit it to HS graduates folks..he said EVERY American and wants people to continually improve their education.

So pass this sucker so I can go and get myself another degree
I'll go back too - just for fun. Maybe I can just take classes that interest me. The subject matter is so much more fun when you don't have to worry about paying for it, the grades (2.5 gpa is child's play), or worrying finding a job.
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:09 PM
 
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This is so easy I don't understand why you're not getting it. It's a stepping stone to a 4 year degree, see? And science credits transfer as well, not just english or philosophy. Don't you understand that that can greatly reduce the amount of credits you need to take thus the amount of money you need to put towards your degree AND the amount of time to get your degree?

Sorry if you didn't comprehend a concept so basic.
Let's put reality on the table a bit here. First, while the credits may technically transfer, that doesn't mean they will meet the prereqs for that four year degree, assuming the four year degree is in an in-demand field. Yes, you meet the gen-ed, but not the specifics. So you still need a year of specific pre-reqs for the upper level classes. This really means 2 years CC + 3 years at the U for a total of 5. So the cost savings is only one year, with the lost opportunity cost of a year's delay in entering the workforce.

Secondly, transfer assumes the material prepares you for the higher level work. Also not necessarily so. We looked into CC for our DD and found that it wasn't a good value to spend the first 2 years at CC. These aren't meant to knock CCs, but everyone needs to ensure they look at the total picture because there's no such thing as a free puppy.

As for the number of students, time will tell, but what we've seen so far here in TN is a massive increase in the number of high schoolers applying to CC under the free program. Give it a couple years to see how many actually belong in college.

The way I see it, the only way such a free college program should work is the top 20% of each high school get 4 year college free; the next 20% get 2 years CC free; the next 40% get trade school free. And the bottom 20%? Well, they better learn to ask "Do you want fries with that?" because their welfare just went to pay for the education program. But, will never happen.
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:30 PM
 
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This would have been a much better ideas than attacking Iraq and much cheaper too. I don't know enough about the long term costs and benefits to ascertain if this is a good plan, however I don't need to- all the experts on here with thepolitiical agendas will be happy to enlighten us.
If we spent the money on college tuition's that we have on Iraq, we could've put SO many kids through 4 years of college, and had SO many productive valuable and non indebted citizens running around right now.
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Old 01-09-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Delray Beach
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[quote=Ruth4Truth;37953050]Part of the rationale is that it's about job re-training. That's a good thing, it would boost the economy overall to get unemployed adults back into the job market .... Why are we importing workers from India and Eastern Europe, instead of employing our own? Americans have to catch up and get their act together.[/quote]

You can't 'catch up' without brains... and with over a billion souls, they done got mo' of 'em than us.
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Old 01-09-2015, 09:47 PM
 
Location: South Seattle Suburbs
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I'd rather have my tax dollars going to help educate people and give aid to the poor than blowing people up and spying on all of us. I'm not a big Obama fan, but I have no problem with this proposal.
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Old 01-09-2015, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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It's easy to see why there's such pushback:

Who wins? Poor people. Young people. Minorities.

Who loses? Unaccredited for-profit diploma-mill "colleges" and their associated student loan financing companies.


As usual, follow the money (and the stench).
On the flip side if all the poor, young, minorities become educated maybe they'll eventually become Republicans. Gotta think long term
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