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Old 01-12-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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On the face this sounds like a good idea BUT how will it be paid for? by higher taxes for those who actually work. right. Then again there are way too many kids graduating high school or I should say barely getting by and shown the door who don't really know how to read or write and certainly don't possess critical thinking skills. How are the high schools paid for? Through taxes.
I say give the kids in high school a real education they can use and that would be a good start. We have too many kids who are aspiring sports stars, aspiring rappers/ singers who plan to make it big on American Idol and a bunch of other lazy kids who want to be champion video game players.

College isn't for everyone. I would rather see more interest in sending kids to trade schools where they learn a skill. We have too many thinkers and not enough doers.
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Northwest Arkansas/Temporarily Memphis
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I know it may raise taxes, but I do have a personal interest in this as I am going back to school at a CC starting in the fall. This would help me immensely.
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:44 AM
 
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My city (Syracuse, NY) offers a program that provides for a free college education to high school graduates. Both of my daughters missed being included in the program because they graduated from high school a year or 2, too early. You can find more information here:

Say Yes to Education

My tax dollars pay for a whole host of things that I don't approve of... It is finally nice to see them pay for something that I can support wholeheartedly.
Of course you support it wholeheartedly. It gets you off the hook for paying for their education.

But as a childless woman, you can add this to the "whole host of things" that my tax dollars pay for that I don't approve of.

And for the record, the program you are talking about in Syracuse is paid with private funds, not public, I believe.
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Old 01-12-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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As if the value of a College degree hasn't been devalued enough. This will surely be the final gunshot to the head if he pushes it through.

I don't see why it's so hard for some to understand. If you make something available to everyone without any special requirements, it has no value. If everyone has a degree, then the degree isn't worth anything.
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Old 01-12-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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As if the value of a College degree hasn't been devalued enough. This will surely be the final gunshot to the head if he pushes it through.

I don't see why it's so hard for some to understand. If you make something available to everyone without any special requirements, it has no value. If everyone has a degree, then the degree isn't worth anything.
So, are you saying that a college degree should only be available for those who can afford it?
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Old 01-12-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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So, are you saying that a college degree should only be available for those who can afford it?
False argument. There are plenty of ways to acquire financial assistance to get a degree these days. It's up to the individual to figure that out.

The issue here is in turning a 2 year degree into an entitlement.
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Old 01-12-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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Default 1966, then repeat

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Obama to propose free community college

What do you guys think about this? Personally my first reaction was, that's stupid. But the more I thought about it, the more Im ok with it. We dump billions of dollars into other nations in futile attempts to "democratize" them and it fails. We spent trillions on failed wars and international policing....and they fail. We literally GIVE money to some Nations.....

If we're going to waste money like that then fine, lets at least use a "little bit" to better ourselves....
The original "concept" of junior college was that you could put in your first two years, keep expenses down, and then transfer to a University. By 1970 California, for instance, had 99% of it's entire population within commuting distance to a local junior college. Without it, I don't think most of the people I knew would have obtained their advanced degree.

With the cost of education today for most of us it's an idea that's returned to the fore. But the crux of that idea is that education is not an elitist activity for the very rich, with exclusive barriers no matter your ability. And we returned to that concept in 1980 with the Regean/Thatcher rule. Too bad, because it inadvertently set back all kinds of other issues, such as minority schooling, basic education for kids, and in places like Quebec, Canada it had a lot to do with maintaining their fast disappearing culture.
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Old 01-12-2015, 09:26 AM
 
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False argument. There are plenty of ways to acquire financial assistance to get a degree these days. It's up to the individual to figure that out.

The issue here is in turning a 2 year degree into an entitlement.
^exactly.
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Old 01-12-2015, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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False argument. There are plenty of ways to acquire financial assistance to get a degree these days. It's up to the individual to figure that out.

The issue here is in turning a 2 year degree into an entitlement.
I actually just tried to find a scholarship for my masters program and didn't qualify for any because Im white.....please show me this "plenty of ways to acquire financial assistance".....
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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I had a feeling Obama would start proposing liberal ideas as a lame duck knowing damn well they won't pass but when he had the both houses did nada.(a watered down republican health care plan doesn't count)
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