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Old 03-04-2015, 10:19 PM
 
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There will be no end to the publicity about "this guy" until the media and people like the OP STOP celebrating his existence!
The trial is over, he was acquitted, let it all end!
No more interviews of jurors or lawyers or family. It is done, it has all been said, leave it alone.
Unless the Martin family files a wrongful death suit against Zimmerman.

 
Old 03-05-2015, 03:14 AM
 
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If Martin had went home in those 4 minutes when Zimmerman didn't know where he was or called 911 in those 4 minutes when Zimmerman didn't know where he was or didn't hop on top of Zimmerman to beat on him, he may have also remained alive.
When Z was asked "not to follow", he acts as if he is "going back to wait at his vehicle", but says "Just have them call me when they get here, and I will tell them where I am". Why some can't see why he said this, amazes me.

I believe that T was in the midst of heading home, but knew a guy had been lurking (as he had indicated to Rachel on the phone) and when seeing Z still approaching behind him, turned and asked "Why are you following me?"

This is the correct timeline:

7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon Martin is running (then exits his truck).
7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman responds with, "Yes." Dispatcher: "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman: "OK."
7:12:00 – 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute.
7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know Martin's location.
7:13:41 — The end of Zimmerman's call to Sanford police.
7:16:00 – 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute. [the precise time surfaced during the trial, the call ends at 7:15:43, 1 minute and 12 seconds before the shot.]

Last edited by In2itive_1; 03-05-2015 at 03:28 AM.. Reason: Correction - more info.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 04:38 AM
 
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I claimed that there is evidence that Martin assaulted Zimmerman, which there is. I posted a link to several sources that said Zimmerman had wounds to his face and back of his head and grass stains on the back of his shirt....

Zimmerman may have been influenced by drugs. We also know Martin tested positive for drugs. However, having drugs in their systems does not provide any evidence of anything.

The police believed his story because it made sense and fit the scenario. They did detain and question him, as procedure dictates. Since the scenario fit the story, they released him and turned the information over to the DA.
1. His wounds were determined to be "surface wounds", was not hospitalized and were not at all in line with Z's claim. The marks by his nose were described as "pin holes" where blood "dribbled" from, the back looked like scrapes with blood smeared on and nose was not broken. ( Of course the photos were still admitted as evidence, which impressed some at the trial, as it has others).

2. The Drugs: First of all, medication for Psychological issues is different from Pot. As mentioned, this is not the main point. However, there is something to be said for Z's emotional problems that required medication in the first place (having had similar reactions prior and since, that was not considered).

3. You say, "Since the scenario fit the story", they released him. (That is the problem and surely what he was hoping for). There is so much wrong with this entire incident and trial, which is what has some in an outrage.

Only GEORGE knows the truth - which he has to live with it each and every day. And we see great his life is going...
 
Old 03-05-2015, 05:06 AM
 
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Actually, you have no evidence as to who actually made the up close contact. You don't know if Zimmerman walked up to Martin or if Zimmerman was on his way back to the truck and Martin approached him.

The only evidence of assault was of Martin assaulting Zimmerman.

Why are you just going to make things up and present them as fact when you're only just making assumptions?
1. Neither do you.

2. No real proof, unless you mean the one scene of T on top, doubtlessly defending himself (without a weapon), in addition to Z's faked-out injuries.

THIS is what got him off, in addition to having "assistance".

He knows what really happened ... (just admit it, George...then we can all relax, including you).
 
Old 03-05-2015, 05:12 AM
 
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[quote=Orlandochuck1;38681367 There was plenty of evidence that GZ had been hit and his head beat into the sidewalk.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, yeah.. ((yawn))
 
Old 03-05-2015, 05:37 AM
 
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Indeed. Never mind the other poster's...interesting...use of the word "opponent" to describe a 17-year old yapping away on the phone while returning from a store run.

Data, as you already know, we do have a witness describing Travon's last known words: "Why are you following me?" and "get off me!" Unsurprisingly, I suppose, the killer's supporters prefer to obsess over phrases like "creepy-ass cracker" while ignoring the testimony that points directly to Zimmerman as the aggressor. It's a shame victims can't choose their witnesses. I am quite confident that those very supporters and the jury itself would not so easily dismiss Rachel's testimony had she been a pretty white girl from the right side of the tracks with all the advantages that conveys. And had Trayvon been white, he'd have never been followed at all.
West blew Rachel apart by proving she changed her 'get off' testimony from what she swore to in her deposition. Team Trayvon sucked the girl into something she desperately wanted to avoid. She lied to please them.

The rest is standard racialist claptrap.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 05:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by In2itive_1 View Post
When Z was asked "not to follow", he acts as if he is "going back to wait at his vehicle", but says "Just have them call me when they get here, and I will tell them where I am". Why some can't see why he said this, amazes me.

I believe that T was in the midst of heading home, but knew a guy had been lurking (as he had indicated to Rachel on the phone) and when seeing Z still approaching behind him, turned and asked "Why are you following me?"

This is the correct timeline:

7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon Martin is running (then exits his truck).
7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman responds with, "Yes." Dispatcher: "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman: "OK."
7:12:00 – 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute.
7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know Martin's location.
7:13:41 — The end of Zimmerman's call to Sanford police.
7:16:00 – 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute. [the precise time surfaced during the trial, the call ends at 7:15:43, 1 minute and 12 seconds before the shot.]
There's the 4 minutes TM had to go home, go buy more Skittles, hide, call 911, call his dad, do something to evade the cac rapist. Instead, he wanted to confront the follower.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 07:17 AM
 
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I am quite confident that those very supporters and the jury itself would not so easily dismiss Rachel's testimony had she been a pretty white girl from the right side of the tracks with all the advantages that conveys.
Rachel, the 18-year-old, I mean 16-year-old, no, 18-year-old who could seem to keep her story straight. Yeah, real reliable witness there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTicK_LTCEE

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1. His wounds were determined to be "surface wounds", was not hospitalized and were not at all in line with Z's claim. The marks by his nose were described as "pin holes" where blood "dribbled" from, the back looked like scrapes with blood smeared on and nose was not broken. ( Of course the photos were still admitted as evidence, which impressed some at the trial, as it has others).
What are you talking about? I could only find one medical report about his injuries:

George Zimmerman Medical Report Sheds Light on Injuries After Trayvon Martin Shooting - ABC News

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A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
Where are you getting your info? Link please?

Are you getting yours from the testimony from the medical examiner that looked at photos and never examined Zimmerman?

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2. The Drugs: First of all, medication for Psychological issues is different from Pot. As mentioned, this is not the main point. However, there is something to be said for Z's emotional problems that required medication in the first place (having had similar reactions prior and since, that was not considered).
Were they in his system at that time? Did the police or medical staff who looked at him report that he was acting peculiar in any way that would indicate he wasn't acting rationally?

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3. You say, "Since the scenario fit the story", they released him. (That is the problem and surely what he was hoping for). There is so much wrong with this entire incident and trial, which is what has some in an outrage.
There was nothing wrong. The police released Zimmerman that night because his story fit the scenario. If not, please explain how it didn't from what they knew that night?

There was also nothing wrong with the trial. Just because you didn't like the verdict doesn't mean there was anything wrong.

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Only GEORGE knows the truth - which he has to live with it each and every day. And we see great his life is going...
His life is going haywire, because he's, generally speaking, a moron. The thing is that you shouldn't put a moron in prison if his actions were legal.

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1. Neither do you.

2. No real proof, unless you mean the one scene of T on top, doubtlessly defending himself (without a weapon), in addition to Z's faked-out injuries.

THIS is what got him off, in addition to having "assistance".

He knows what really happened ... (just admit it, George...then we can all relax, including you).
He already admitted he shot Martin in self-defense. What else do you want?

We obviously know what you want. You want a man to go to prison because you don't like him, you don't like the law and you are too emotionally invested.
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