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Old 01-18-2015, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque area
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Originally Posted by TBCasino View Post
He was probably screaming for help while he was getting his a** handed to him, just before he pulled his gun.
You mean while Trayvon bashed Would-Be Officer George's hairless melon 11 or 12 times into the sidewalk with his two hands AND administered multiple blows to Officer George's mug with his third hand AND pinched Officer George's nostrils shut with his fourth hand AND covered Officer George's mouth with his fifth hand AND went for Officer George's gun with his sixth hand? All this while Officer George's blood filled Officer George's eyes, ears and piehole to the point where Officer George could not speak or breathe or see and was fading in and out of consciousness WHILE simultaneously crying, screaming and wailing like a child for his mama, all according to Officer George? Cool story, bro.

If you haven't already, you might want to take a closer look at the photos of Trayvon Martin's corpse and clothing, with particular attention paid to pesky details like blood transfer at close contact.

 
Old 01-18-2015, 01:25 PM
 
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The other scenario makes no sense unless you envision GZ as a ruthless cold blooded killer. For example, if TM was screaming for his life with GZ having the upper hand and mounting him, why would GZ pull out his gun and shoot TM. It makes no sense. Plus the ballistics and forensic evidence would not match in that scenario either. My understanding is that the ballistics indicated the bullet came from below, not above based on the entry wound.

You would have to believe somehow TM was standing over GZ begging for his life, and GZ fired for no other reason than to kill him.
Additionally, who is going to know TM's voice better than his Father? His own Father made a statement that it was not his sons voice screaming for help.
So how do you fit that square peg in the round hole?

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At 7:17 p.m. on Feb. 26, the bullet that killed Trayvon entered his
chest square-on
, just to the left of his breastbone, according to his
autopsy. It punched a hole in his right ventricle, the lower right chamber of
the heart, and broke into three pieces.


The bullet's lead core the bulkiest part was found just behind his
heart, still inside the pericardium, the sac that contains that organ. Two other
fragments were found next to his right lung, which had been perforated and collapsed, the
report said.
Trayvon Martin's heart: Experts: Trayvon's heart kept pumping after shooting - Orlando Sentinel


Autopsy report
Trayvon Martin autopsy report



Front to back...not downward...
 
Old 01-18-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Well herein lies one of the problems with hyphenated-Americans. If a person is black, but you don't know his origin or family history, most of the liberals and by extension the media will call them African-American.


African American is an ethnic term. Black is a racial term. It is obvious who is black and who is not. You see Bob Marley, Al Sharpton, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Naomi Campbell and Jacob Zuma in the same room, it is obvious that they are all black folks. So you call them black folks, though only one is African American.

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So just as someone will not try to be PC with whites by calling them European-Americans or so other absurd name, they will fall all over themselves to say African-American because of PC conditioning.

While you might take the time to get to know them and then use whatever hyphenated-American label you like, it does not work like that in general practical terms.
There is nothing exotic about hyphenating the ethnicity of Americans. White ethnic groups have identified as such since there have been whites in America. To tell me that it should be OK for whites to call themselves Irish Americans, German Americans, Italian Americans, Polish Americans, Portuguese Americans, Croatian Americans or Hungarian Americans, but that there is some strange PC problem with black folks identifying as African Americans is simply preposterous.



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That was before my time, but just as it might have been appropriate to call someone one or several of those names, they were not considered a racial insult. Ironically enough, if you go back not too far into American history, you will find that calling someone of any race a hyphenated-American, was an insult.
I don't see any of the people who identify as any of the European ethnicities - hyphenated American to have been insulted. To be frank, I have no idea where you get that notion. You must never have lived in a city or region such as New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh or Chicago.

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They never have a need to get upset with me because I have never called a black person an African-American, as I don't believe in doing so for anyone of any race.
If you are an American citizen and pledge allegiance to our country, then you are American, period. If someone wants to get to know the citizen on a personal level, then they might discovered that they are of ethnic Italian, Irish, Jamaican, etc. background.
Yeah, all one big happy family. So how come we're not?

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While some might not want to call Zimmerman brown, that is essentially what he is. Sure Hispanic or Latin could be used, but Zimmerman is not white in the traditional meaning here in America. You are astute enough to know exactly what I am talking about.
There is no "brown" in America, as that quasi-racial designation can and does encompass many ethnic groups of disparate origins and cultures.

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As to miscegenation, while Zimmerman fits that description, it is typically the minority side which is focused on to stipulate race. Our current president is a perfect example. Though he has referred to himself as a "mutt", ultimately he is considered black. Anyone can call themselves whatever they want, but it does not change the way our society will classify them. Those are not my rules, it is just the way our society is.
Well, that is how white folks wanted it and still pretty much want it.
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At best I would think Zimmerman could claim to be a white Hispanic, but he obviously is not white in the traditional sense.

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In most parts of Latin America, he would be white, if only because of his father's ethnicity and station in life.
 
Old 01-18-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Vector1 View Post
The other scenario makes no sense unless you envision GZ as a ruthless cold blooded killer. For example, if TM was screaming for his life with GZ having the upper hand and mounting him, why would GZ pull out his gun and shoot TM. It makes no sense. Plus the ballistics and forensic evidence would not match in that scenario either. My understanding is that the ballistics indicated the bullet came from below, not above based on the entry wound.

You would have to believe somehow TM was standing over GZ begging for his life, and GZ fired for no other reason than to kill him.
Additionally, who is going to know TM's voice better than his Father? His own Father made a statement that it was not his sons voice screaming for help.
So how do you fit that square peg in the round hole?

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My responses:
1. Nobody wants to envision GZ as a ruthless cold-blooded killer. But he did what he did. From subsequent family information, it appears GZ was already angry/frustrated with his wife. I, like many, suspect GZ has difficulty with impulse control. He was also taking some mood-altering drugs (assuming this from the list of meds he took with him in the big pill bag). These factors really take some of the cold-bloodedness factor out in my view.
2. The ballistics do not indicate the bullet came from below. In fact, GZ would have needed to be extremely flexible to have taken his gun from where it was holstered, pull it out from under TM and fire upward.
3. When GZ attempted to reproduce the screaming sound he made a much different sound than we heard on the tape.
4. Tracy Martin was asked about the voice in a moment of extreme stress. He had just been informed. Can you not believe he had some poor hope it was not his son's voice in a circumstance that would have been entirely different than any his son had experienced previously? Can we not have the compassion to consider that?
 
Old 01-18-2015, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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You mean while Trayvon bashed Would-Be Officer George's hairless melon 11 or 12 times into the sidewalk with his two hands AND administered multiple blows to Officer George's mug with his third hand AND pinched Officer George's nostrils shut with his fourth hand AND covered Officer George's mouth with his fifth hand AND went for Officer George's gun with his sixth hand? All this while Officer George's blood filled Officer George's eyes, ears and piehole to the point where Officer George could not speak or breathe or see and was fading in and out of consciousness WHILE simultaneously crying, screaming and wailing like a child for his mama, all according to Officer George? Cool story, bro.

If you haven't already, you might want to take a closer look at the photos of Trayvon Martin's corpse and clothing, with particular attention paid to pesky details like blood transfer at close contact.
I'm no fan of GZ at all, so save the rant for one of his leg humpers here.
 
Old 01-18-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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Should've put him in prison when you had the chance. No surprise if this psychopath kills someone else. No wonder Trayvon was beating his ass - this guy is a bully with a gun.
 
Old 01-18-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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Even z stated to LE that the scream didn't sound like him yet we are supposed to believe his daddy and his buddy that z was definitely the screamer?

I have believed for quite some time that z and Trayvon were both standing and facing one another when that gun was fired. None of the witnesses saw the actual shooting. If they were standing the alignment of the GSW would have matched. z was a bit shorter so he would hold the gun out below Trayvon's chest and just about even with his heart. If they were standing, z's statement that he was concerned that the bullet might have entered someone's house makes more sense.

Do I think z is a cold-blooded killer? No. I don't think he has the gonads for that. I do believe that he is a chicken**** little coward who gets off on abusing people he sees as weaker than him and who has a serious problem with anger management. Shellie made him mad by walking out on him and he went looking for someone to take it out on. Trayvon likely didn't just stand there and kiss z's butt so z shot him. There was no concern about Trayvon from z after the shooting. z never tried to help Trayvon. He calmly wanted someone to call his wife, the wife who left him the day before. Wasn't it six months or so that he'd been training MMA and z couldn't even handle a little scuffle on the lawn?

Something that really interests me is the dramatic change in the look of z's nose between the time his buddy snapped the blurred shot and the time he got to SPD less than an hour later. The swelling in a broken nose continues to increase for a day or so yetthe "swelling" in z's nose completely disappeared in LE's than 60 minutes. Interesting that the state didn't bother questioning that, too.
 
Old 01-18-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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Personally, I thought it was stupid to ask the parents who was screaming. I've never heard either of my kids scream out in terror and I pray they never find cause to do so. Unless you've heard your child scream like that, how would you know what they'd sound like?
 
Old 01-18-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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Should've put him in prison when you had the chance. No surprise if this psychopath kills someone else. No wonder Trayvon was beating his ass - this guy is a bully with a gun.
Yes indeed. Quite well said.

This is exactly the reason that Trayvon is pushing up daisies and Zimmerman walks free. Darwin at work. i.e. I've said before that Trayvon wasn't exactly the sharpest knife in the kitchen.
 
Old 01-18-2015, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque area
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I'm no fan of GZ at all, so save the rant for one of his leg humpers here.
Zimmerman leg humpers I'll need a vat of bleach to erase that imagery. No rant intended, just a recitation of the killer's own words patched together from his various versions.

Grammar, I'm going to disagree with you slightly as to George's status as a cold-blooded killer. I think that gun was burning a hole in his Toughskins and he was thirsty for the chance to use all he had been training for at Air Marshal Osterman's knee. There really is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that his penis...er...gun was in his hand the moment he descended from that shruck. None whatsoever.
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