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Old 01-14-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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Why? Was a crime committed? Was someone harmed? Was there Violence?
That premise doesn't hold valid.
Firearms are a regulated material with a HUGE gray area in terms of selling.
The BATFE initiates token prosecutions all the time.
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Old 01-14-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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That premise doesn't hold valid. .
The premise is very valid because the 2nd amendment guarantees the rights of individuals to own guns. Furthermore the Supreme Court, across several recent decisions, has clearly made the point that laws can't abridge these rights.

So the questions, are very very valid. There are only people who don't want to answer them.
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Old 01-14-2015, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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How is the legality of guns coming into play here? Seeing as how they had a ROCKET LAUNCHER, I highly doubt those terrorist care about the legality of firearms.
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Old 01-14-2015, 04:08 PM
 
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The premise is very valid because the 2nd amendment guarantees the rights of individuals to own guns. Furthermore the Supreme Court, across several recent decisions, has clearly made the point that laws can't abridge these rights.
You are completely incorrect.

The recent SCOTUS decisions in Heller and Mcdonald absolute did not affirm that firearms could not be regulated. They affirmed that handguns couldn't be banned, they affirmed that the 2nd Amendment articulated an individual right but in no way, shape or form completely 'deregulated' firearms from certain controls.

I'd suggest actually reading the majority opinions, or perhaps inform the BATFE that you will commence manufacturing machine guns because the 2nd Amendment guarantees you that right and see how far you get...
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Old 01-14-2015, 04:50 PM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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Scene from Liam Neeson's movie. This when he says "no guns". I suppose the hypocrite got paid quite handsomely for his skills on screen with a gun.

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He's an actor playing a part. He can hate guns if he wants to. He also saved Jews in Schindlers List how do you know he doesn't dislike Jews.

Some people need to get a life.

Lot of drama queens in this thread.
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:19 PM
 
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You are completely incorrect.

The recent SCOTUS decisions in Heller and Mcdonald absolute did not affirm that firearms could not be regulated.
Try reading what I said again.
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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He's an actor playing a part. He can hate guns if he wants to. He also saved Jews in Schindlers List how do you know he doesn't dislike Jews.

Some people need to get a life.

Lot of drama queens in this thread.
Especially from those who can only cast insults and use words like "hate" instead of talking about the topic.
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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Try reading what I said again.
Now you're dancing....

I'll go ahead and coordinate the conversation for you, so you won't struggle with following along.

ScoopLV: For instance, I have an uncle who used to buy guns legally and relatively inexpensively. Then he would take the guns to the parking lot of the Las Vegas gun shows and sell them at a minor profit to the people waiting in line to get into the gun show. This shouldn't be legal.

You: Why? Was a crime committed? Was someone harmed? Was there Violence?

Me: ^ That ^ premise doesn't hold valid. Firearms are a regulated material with a HUGE gray area in terms of selling.

You: The premise is very valid because the 2nd amendment guarantees the rights of individuals to own guns. Furthermore the Supreme Court, across several recent decisions, has clearly made the point that laws can't abridge these rights.

Me: You are completely incorrect. The recent SCOTUS decisions in Heller and Mcdonald absolute did not affirm that firearms could not be regulated. They affirmed that handguns couldn't be banned, they affirmed that the 2nd Amendment articulated an individual right but in no way, shape or form completely 'deregulated' firearms from certain controls.

You: Uh, well, uh, muuh... Well, uh... THAT ISN'T WHAT I SAID!!

But it pretty much is.
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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This is me, basically. But I understand that for this to happen, guns will need to be regulated to the extent that cars currently are regulated. Private car sales are fine. Dealer car sales are fine. And if some moron steals a car and uses it in the commission of a crime, there are safeguards in place to ensure that the legal owner of the stolen car is not on the hook for something a criminal did with it.

If gun sales were tracked the same way that car sales are tracked, we wouldn't have the problem with "the guy with the neck tattoo" buying the AK in the parking lot.

For instance, I have an uncle who used to buy guns legally and relatively inexpensively. Then he would take the guns to the parking lot of the Las Vegas gun shows and sell them at a minor profit to the people waiting in line to get into the gun show. This shouldn't be legal.

But the only way to ban this practice and give it some teeth is a national gun registry, which presents problems of its own.
Why didn't you turn him in?

registry = pipe dream
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:52 PM
 
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Now you're dancing....
Nope.

ME: The premise is very valid because the 2nd amendment guarantees the rights of individuals to own guns. Furthermore the Supreme Court, across several recent decisions, has clearly made the point that laws can't abridge these rights.

YOU: You are completely incorrect. The recent SCOTUS decisions in Heller and Mcdonald absolute did not affirm that firearms could not be regulated. They affirmed that handguns couldn't be banned, they affirmed that the 2nd Amendment articulated an individual right but in no way, shape or form completely 'deregulated' firearms from certain controls.

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I said nothing about regulation or deregulation. That is your nonsense. Hence the rest or your counterpoint is a fallacy. In your zeal to prove me wrong, you completely missed that in the context of what I said, and you even affirmed it, you can't restrict guns simply because someone doesn't like them. Hence the questions about harm, violence, etc.
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