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Old 01-18-2015, 09:43 PM
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How is it a 'public health problem?' It's no more of a public health problem than those who choose to eat cheeseburgers, or those who choose to drink wine, or those who choose to play football. These are all private health problems. The primary victim is also the primary perpetrator.

Do you want police sting operations on people buying a McDonald's cheeseburger too?
This is part of the problem with gov't. They want to cast out certain acts, acts that people will never be able to completely give up. Sex is one of those things, another example would be smoking pot. Why not just make them legal and regulate them? Make them safe for all parties involved. No, instead we have to make them illegal and punish all that partake.
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Old 01-18-2015, 10:33 PM
 
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The dynamics of prostitution "punish" the women who participate in it regardless of legalization. A legal pimp, the government, also has as much control over her life as an illegal one does. Maybe more. Customers and owners of brothels have a great deal more to gain from legalization than the women themselves do.

Beyond the physical stresses of prostitution the dangers of psychological damage are large. In studies done many of them suffer from PTSD. Drug use is often a given in this high stress work.

One of the leading causes of death for prostitutes is suicide. Did you know that? That speaks volumes about the risks of a job that a woman "chooses."

Violence, even in legal brothels, is always an issue of concern. Research it. There's a study on it in Nevada I know.

Eight hours a day of sex causes damage to many women's reproductive systems and body functions.

And please, again, do your research, gang, instead of making arguments based on your dreams. These sound like reasoned arguments but in reality they aren't working as expected. The nature of the beast is given to control issues and difficult lives. Too much "easy" money to remain clean.

Legalized prostitution has increased illegal trafficking in women and children in the countries where it has been approved. I could refer you to dozens of legitimate studies but you can find your own.

Here's one from a medical journal:


http://www.uni-heidelberg.de/md/jour...consec0071.pdf
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Old 01-19-2015, 01:59 AM
 
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Ironic. An o.p. discussing the destruction of one mans career and likely his family as well becomes an opportunity to opine about how damaging prostitution is to women. Well... I think we know that. But a lot of states get huge amounts of revenue destroying men and no prostitutes are involved. In NYC a john that gets busted loses his car. Period. he can't buy it back. They take it and sell it at auction. As I said in another thread. If you care about women so much. Make it so that they don't have to turn to prostitution. And maybe while you're at it amend the divorce laws so women don't get more out of their husbands by divorcing them than by staying with them. California in particular has thousands of women who know on their wedding day that they will be divorcing as soon as they can maneuver the guy into giving them grounds. This thread is about how prostitution can destroy a man's entire world in seconds. Other threads going on right now are taking up the women's side of it. When men are all too scared to even talk to a woman outside of their home women will start turning to armed robbery like men do to support their drug habits and pay off loan sharks. Right now only stupid men with poor judgement get stung. When women are out there with cheap revolvers picking off late shift IT workers at random... then it could be anyone. You, me... anyone. Just saying.
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Old 01-19-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Ironic. An o.p. discussing the destruction of one mans career and likely his family as well becomes an opportunity to opine about how damaging prostitution is to women. Well... I think we know that. But a lot of states get huge amounts of revenue destroying men and no prostitutes are involved. In NYC a john that gets busted loses his car. Period. he can't buy it back. They take it and sell it at auction. As I said in another thread. If you care about women so much. Make it so that they don't have to turn to prostitution. And maybe while you're at it amend the divorce laws so women don't get more out of their husbands by divorcing them than by staying with them. California in particular has thousands of women who know on their wedding day that they will be divorcing as soon as they can maneuver the guy into giving them grounds. This thread is about how prostitution can destroy a man's entire world in seconds. Other threads going on right now are taking up the women's side of it. When men are all too scared to even talk to a woman outside of their home women will start turning to armed robbery like men do to support their drug habits and pay off loan sharks. Right now only stupid men with poor judgement get stung. When women are out there with cheap revolvers picking off late shift IT workers at random... then it could be anyone. You, me... anyone. Just saying.
We all filter our opinions through our own experience and knowledge, yes? So maybe not so ironic after all.

Even without legal intervention prostitution "can destroy a man's entire world in seconds." And also with legal sanction.

And we certainly can't use the argument that it's a choice he makes so it's his problem. Or can we? Can we protect a man from himself when he is convinced that a woman is the only solution to his sexual frustration? Can men be taught that they are responsible for their own sexual satisfaction and health?

I think that's where we address the issue of morality. Social moral codes don't really exist because of pie-in-the-sky unless you are a believer. They exist because they are good rules to follow to keep a society healthy and cohesive.

Here's where nonbelievers make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bathwater - by thinking moral codes are outdated. They exist and have for millennia because, if broken by enough people, there follows a disintegration of healthy society.

It appears to be an insoluble problem and most attempts to moderate the harm still have their collateral damage. Human nature has a way of messing up the best plans and a wise man will avoid situations that offer that possibility.
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Old 01-19-2015, 11:01 AM
 
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We all filter our opinions through our own experience and knowledge, yes? So maybe not so ironic after all.

Even without legal intervention prostitution "can destroy a man's entire world in seconds." And also with legal sanction.

And we certainly can't use the argument that it's a choice he makes so it's his problem. Or can we? Can we protect a man from himself when he is convinced that a woman is the only solution to his sexual frustration? Can men be taught that they are responsible for their own sexual satisfaction and health?

I think that's where we address the issue of morality. Social moral codes don't really exist because of pie-in-the-sky unless you are a believer. They exist because they are good rules to follow to keep a society healthy and cohesive.

Here's where nonbelievers make the mistake of throwing the baby out with the bathwater - by thinking moral codes are outdated. They exist and have for millennia because, if broken by enough people, there follows a disintegration of healthy society.

It appears to be an insoluble problem and most attempts to moderate the harm still have their collateral damage. Human nature has a way of messing up the best plans and a wise man will avoid situations that offer that possibility.
You should probably educate yourself on facts as they haven't been around for millenia. Most of our laws come down from Victorian England. We're a country founded by what is, basically, religious fanatics. There were other groups, but the religious fanatics who faced persecution in England for their extremist views to a very large extent shaped American law and morality. Prostitution was never made illegal in Victorian England, but a series of laws that curtailed it. Partly it was an honest attempt to curtail the public nuisance aspect, and partly it was and underhanded attempt to enforce morality laws without forcing morality laws. Moral codes are fine. Enforcing moral codes through law is murkier.
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Old 01-19-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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greg anthony bad mouth charles barkley I wonder what barkley has to say about anthony?
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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He should just say "I thought I was in Nevada".
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Old 01-19-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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You should probably educate yourself on facts as they haven't been around for millenia. Most of our laws come down from Victorian England. We're a country founded by what is, basically, religious fanatics. There were other groups, but the religious fanatics who faced persecution in England for their extremist views to a very large extent shaped American law and morality. Prostitution was never made illegal in Victorian England, but a series of laws that curtailed it. Partly it was an honest attempt to curtail the public nuisance aspect, and partly it was and underhanded attempt to enforce morality laws without forcing morality laws. Moral codes are fine. Enforcing moral codes through law is murkier.
Reread please, Malloric. I said moral codes have been around for millennia, not laws. Moral codes surrounding prostitution have existed since humans began to form social groups.

Moral codes do not necessarily equal religion as we think of it at present. Nor do they equal laws.

Moral codes have been around for millennia. That is a fact. You can't form society without them. I'll provide reading material if you'd like but you can look it up yourself.

A larger part of the effort to curtail prostitution in Victorian England was truly to assist and rehabilitate the prostitutes whose condition was exposed by Jack London, reporter and novelist. He spent a period of time living in the slums of London and wrote a book called, People of the Abyss. As women of the upper class became informed about the situation they formed aid societies to lend their help.

And, of course we can also credit Jack the Ripper for drawing attention to the dangerous lives these women were living.

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Old 01-19-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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Sex between consenting adults is legal. Selling personal service is legal. So why is it illegal for an adult to sell the service of sex to another adult? To me, this isn't much of a news story. Now if he beat the prostitute or if the prostitute was a minor then that would be a big deal. The only person who can truly judge him is his wife and family.
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Old 01-19-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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Sex between consenting adults is legal. Selling personal service is legal. So why is it illegal for an adult to sell the service of sex to another adult? To me, this isn't much of a news story. Now if he beat the prostitute or if the prostitute was a minor then that would be a big deal. The only person who can truly judge him is his wife and family.
Sex isn't a service. Once you get past equating your cars needs to everything else you'll appreciate the difference.
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