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Old 01-20-2015, 01:31 PM
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Apparently the guy was swatted, no-knock warrant. It's actually legal to use force to defend yourself in this country whether you're white or black. You can't use it if you know or should reasonably believe it's against a police officer in the scope of his duties, but if some random people break into your house at 2 a.m. and you shoot one and then it turns out they were the police you're not liable for that.
Depends what the jury decides and prosecutor does.

Ryan Frederick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sentenced to 10 years. Another similar case in Texas.

Two SWAT Raids. Two Officers Dead. One Defendant Is Black, One White. Guess What Happened. | Mother Jones

Grand jury indicted in the other case.
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Old 01-20-2015, 03:46 PM
 
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Depends what the jury decides and prosecutor does.

Ryan Frederick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sentenced to 10 years. Another similar case in Texas.

Two SWAT Raids. Two Officers Dead. One Defendant Is Black, One White. Guess What Happened. | Mother Jones

Grand jury indicted in the other case.
Yes, that's how our legal system works. You'll find countless examples for both races. Cherry pick as you will to suit an agenda. Your article makes a baseless claim that the cases are "remarkably similar." That might work in the tabloid journalism arena, which is its venue, but won't stand up in a legal arena.

In fact, the cases are not similar. In one case the officers were opened fire on as they attempted to climb in the window. That indicates that the suspect had time to observe them climbing in a window, take aim, and open fire. Four times. In any period of the time leading up to and during the time in which he fired at four officers should he have been reasonably able to ascertain that it was a SWAT raid and not bangers from a rival gang or some drug dealer he'd pissed off? Maybe, maybe not. You and the tabloid have no idea because you don't know the facts. Neither do I. It's entirely possible the white guy stared through his peephole and fully knew that it was SWAT as well. In one case a jury, which unlike you, I, or a tabloid actually had the facts, decided there was reasonable doubt that Person A didn't know it was a law enforcement action while in another case the jury decided that there was not a reasonable doubt.

If you want to argue overuse of SWAT, sure. That's totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. Terrorism is exactly the type of scenario that SWAT was created for. Second, just because SWAT was created for one thing doesn't mean it shouldn't be adopted for another use. Viagra wasn't created for erectile dysfunction. That doesn't mean it's inappropriate to use for erectile dysfunction. Again, irrelevant to the issue. My personal opinion is that the war on drugs is mostly stupid and SWAT should not be used in those situations. I don't need any irrelevant arguments applying the logic that Viagra shouldn't be used for ED to support my opinion. That type of logical fallacy might impress the tabloid market but really isn't helpful in a more serious discussion.
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