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Old 01-21-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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Have you considered not doing 'some stupid thing or another' that is illegal?
Ahh yes, the "Support Endlessly Intrusive Authority For Cops" unless you are a 'criminal;' fallacy.

Only dumb people or cops advance that. Which are you?
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:10 AM
 
Location: In Thy presence is fulness of joy... Psa 16:11
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The weird thing is coming to the realization that expatriation seemed like the best option years ago.
Now, I'm just left wondering why I don't get off my ass and do it because the way things are heading here, the writing is on the wall.

Hitler laid out his beliefs in Mein Kampf in the 1920's.
He was elected Chancellor in 1933.
The "Night of Broken Glass" didn't happen until 1938.

There were 5 solid years where any number of Jews- including Einstein- recognized the writing on the wall and left.
The ones who stayed said there was nothing to worry about, could never happen here, etc, until it did.

The way this country is heading, I wonder if this era we are in is like the 33-38 period in Germany, where you can still leave if you want, the illusion of 'all is well' remains intact but the door is closing fast and once it does, its too late. When that time comes, nobody can say they didn't see it coming because the writing is on the wall in big bold letters.
We see this too. But unfortunately, there is nowhere on earth to run.
The safest place is under the shadow of the Almighty.
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: In Thy presence is fulness of joy... Psa 16:11
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I don't think I have ever seen a less true statement in my life.
One does not have to be a political person to be aware of the times.
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Long Neck,De
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That device can't distinguish between a baby and a cat.
That is it. The device ca only sense something is there. This is a serious violation of privacy??
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Old 01-21-2015, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Hmmmm I think I have a bigger problem with that full body scanner at the airports that actually make you look naked. Well come to think of it if you want to see an old lady dancing naked around the house. Knock your socks off.
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Old 01-21-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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We see this too. But unfortunately, there is nowhere on earth to run.
The safest place is under the shadow of the Almighty.
Sure there are places to go.
There are places elsewhere in the world that have a completely different set of values than we do here.

Traveling in "Old, Liberal Europe", for example, is what caused me to realize that the US is the only developed, 1st World country that values a certain set of principles over actual human beings.

We would rather 10 starve if we can prevent 10 from getting an undeserved welfare benefit, compared to other countries that would rather see 10 get an unjust benefit if it prevents 10 from starving.

The healthcare situation in this country is COMICAL, were it not such a gigantic tragedy. The fact we haven't moved to a single payer system with negotiated cost is ridiculous, but look at all the lunatics who have been trained to oppose it, even though they barely understand it. Hell, Nixon was the first person to seriously propose it in the US...

I could go on and on and on... There are countries in the world that do not value police authority over citizen sovereignty. No place is perfect but given what we've become, there are places that are considerably better, the allmighty and his kingdom notwithstanding.
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Old 01-21-2015, 11:13 AM
 
Location: FLG/PHX/MKE
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50 police agencies have been using the Range Radar Device for 2 years. When placed on the outside of a house, it detects movement inside up to 50-feet away. No warrant is needed for its use, but many are saying it violates our rights. The police argue that it saves lives by letting them know where occupants are before they storm troop a home.

I say, anyone caught with one of these in his or her possession, cop or not, should receive and automatic 20 years in prison. Problem solved. Of course those devices violate our right to privacy. How can anyone argue that they don't?

New police radars can 'see' inside homes
B-b-but I keep hearing that people who don't do anything wrong don't have to worry about such casual scrutiny, as there would be nothing to discover.

Oh wait, and I forgot, it's for hero safety and all of that. And it could save children!
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Old 01-21-2015, 12:22 PM
 
Location: SWFL
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Things have been seriously out of hand in this country for a long time. And you don't have to be a John Bircher to know that. You just have to look carefully at history and put the pieces together.
I'll start by stating that I am not a political person. I served in the U.S. Navy for 20+ years, but no longer vote; nor do I protest or try to maneuver situations to turn things around politically the way I think they should go.
As a Bible-believing Christian and preacher, my focus is on the Lord Jesus Christ, and wanting to do His will. But my wife and I aren't "Jim and Tammy" of PTL or "Paul and Jan" of TBN. I don't demand people's tithes, or take my church on "God hates ****" protests. We aren't interested in competing with Rick Warren for huge church buildings complete with Starbuck's. We don't drive a Cadillac, my wife doesn't wear mink, and --when we had a dog-- he didn't sleep in an air conditioned doghouse. I am not concerned about Blood moons or who supports Israel.
Having said that, here are a few things I've observed along the way:
The Gov't has withheld the truth for a long time. Most in the U.S. don't realize we already live in a Socialist country, and that began long before this present Administration.
"The Great Emancipator" Abe Lincoln wrote to Karl Marx (father of the Communist Manifesto), and told him how much he appreciated his writings! Is it any wonder that Lincoln stripped Americans of their rights with martial law under the excuse of the war?
Theodore Roosevelt is lauded by "conservative" politicians/pundits. Yet he opened the door to a large over-hanging hand of Federalism for the Gov't, by promoting unions, laid the foundation for the Federal Reserve (which is a privately owned company, not legally connected to the Gov't and yet controlling the U.S. economy and made it so the U.S. is tied to the European bank cartels), and felt it was his duty to see that the U.S. declared war on and/or kept control of major parts of the world. (IE: Spanish-American war, negotiating the Russo-Japanese war, Panama Canal, etc.).
"The Last Great Conservative" Ronald Reagan sent the infamous liar and crook, Richard Nixon, over to China to build U.S.-China relations. After that, China became "most favored nation" with the U.S., and began to gobble up U.S. assets.
The rights of citizens were greatly stripped down after 9/11; under "moderate" GW Bush.
Working with people who have been "on the inside" of things with the Gov't confirmed to us that what was done in "Star Trek" in the 1960's is almost entirely do-able right now...one of the few exceptions being "beam[ing] me up, Scotty." These people were not exaggerating; they were confiding as to how bad it already is in Gov't abilities to war, to control the lives of others.
I'm not "picking on" so-called conservatives...the liberals were even worse!
Recently, the Army released two huge blimps to use as surveillance...over U.S. cities! Their span of vision is a radius of over 340 miles in any direction. The one, sent up from Baltimore, MD covers the range of N. Carolina to Maine, the Army is able to see anything from car movement to infra-red image, to supposedly "protect" Americans. The other one is reported to work with it, further identifying air/land/sea activity; and providing targeting data to interceptors. This builds the level of control to minute detail of the comings and goings of U.S. citizens; using the excuse of terrorist threat.
Without writing a tome, I hope this shows that things are gravely serious.
If you are a Christian, I urge you to get your life ready to suffer for Jesus Christ. Don't wait until storm troopers take your Bible or ban your worship meetings--get rid of the frills of happy-go-lucky 21st century churchianity and begin to truly seek God.
If you aren't a Christian, I plead with you to begin to read the New Testament, beginning with the gospels. Find out who Jesus Christ really is, and seriously consider His claims. If you will turn to Him and away from your sins, your life won't become a joy-ride; but you'll have peace within, a way to endure what is coming, and hope for eternity.
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Originally Posted by Zaba View Post
The weird thing is coming to the realization that expatriation seemed like the best option years ago.
Now, I'm just left wondering why I don't get off my ass and do it because the way things are heading here, the writing is on the wall.

Hitler laid out his beliefs in Mein Kampf in the 1920's.
He was elected Chancellor in 1933.
The "Night of Broken Glass" didn't happen until 1938.

There were 5 solid years where any number of Jews- including Einstein- recognized the writing on the wall and left.
The ones who stayed said there was nothing to worry about, could never happen here, etc, until it did.

The way this country is heading, I wonder if this era we are in is like the 33-38 period in Germany, where you can still leave if you want, the illusion of 'all is well' remains intact but the door is closing fast and once it does, its too late. When that time comes, nobody can say they didn't see it coming because the writing is on the wall in big bold letters.
Maybe some were in denial, most probably couldn't afford to get out. Not ALL the Jews were rich. I surely can't afford to leave the country even if I wanted too. I don't like it anymore but I don't think I would want to live anywhere else.

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B-b-but I keep hearing that people who don't do anything wrong don't have to worry about such casual scrutiny, as there would be nothing to discover.

Oh wait, and I forgot, it's for hero safety and all of that. And it could save children!
I may not think I have anything to worry about but I sure as hell don't like this newest invasion of privacy anymore than I like the others.
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Old 01-21-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Maybe some were in denial, most probably couldn't afford to get out. Not ALL the Jews were rich. I surely can't afford to leave the country even if I wanted too. I don't like it anymore but I don't think I would want to live anywhere else.
You don't have to be 'rich' to leave a country. See Syria. Per Ellis Island records, my own great-grandfather arrived here with $20.

You just have to realize that whatever you have that's keeping you where you are is worth considerably less than your life, your liberty, etc.
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Old 01-21-2015, 12:39 PM
 
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That is it. The device can only sense something is there. This is a serious violation of privacy??
For now. But just like all technology, it will improve leaps and bounds in a short amount of time.

We need preemptive laws that protect our privacy.

Do you think gays, blacks and marijuana users etc would have made the progress to "legal" status that they enjoy today, if cops could see into homes and listen in on conversations?

There are way to many unjust laws on the books. Policing, prosecuting and jailing is BIG business. We have more citizens incarcerated per capita than any first world country*. The land of the free?

I'm all for locking up violent offenders, but our prisons are filled with non-violent 'criminals'. Do you really want your tax dollars to lock up Joe Blow for $30K per year, just because he uses something far safer than all legal drugs?



*The United States has the largest prison population in the world,[3][4] and the second-highest per-capita incarceration rate, behind Seychelles (which has a total prison population of 786 out of a population of 90,024).
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