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Old 01-22-2015, 09:37 PM
 
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The solution to this whole bakery writing on cakes controversy is for bakeries to have several generic phrases that people can choose from to write on a cake and that is it. No customizations!

 
Old 01-22-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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What happened to the signs that said " we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" ?

Some people are just a-holes and you don't want to work with them. This is a silly case.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Monnem Germany/ from San Diego
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Maybe someone should open a "Hate Bakery" and not refuse anyones hate messages. Racist, Anti Gay, Anti Christian, Antichrist whatever you hate it we bake it.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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I disagree with the baker's belief about making a cake for the same-sex couple, but i do believe in her right to hold those beliefs.
Holding those beliefs is one thing. Discriminating based on those beliefs is another.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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How do we know it was "hateful"? Simply because that baker said it was? Was it possibly something from the Bible itself? We don't know do we?

Per one article, this is what the customer asked for on the cake:

"[The guest] wanted an open book with the words “god hates homosexuality” and a ‘no’ sign over two men. He also wanted a scripture and the Ghostbusters logo."

Pro-LGBT Colorado baker slapped with religious discrimination complaint - Out FrontOut Front

Except for the scripture quote, whatever it was, the rest was opinion, not specific to a religion, so the baker didn't violate the law. imo.

Her refusal to do the scripture quote is another matter.

Whatever the ruling, it's good that someone brought up this issue of a business owner refusing to do a customized service with a message she found offensive.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 08:26 AM
 
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But the baker at Azucar will not decorate any cake that has a hate message for ANYONE.
The baker at masterpiece will bake wedding cakes for couple A but not couple B based on their sexual orientation.

One does not offer a produce (cakes with a message of hate)
The other does offer a product (wedding cakes) but not for some people.
If I was a baker
I would never bake a cake for a same sex "wedding" even if both parties are not gay (eg. they're doing it just for immigration purposes).
I could bake a cake for birthday party for a gay person.

lgbt rights = bigotry
 
Old 01-23-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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If I was a baker
I would never bake a cake for a same sex "wedding" even if both parties are not gay (eg. they're doing it just for immigration purposes).
I could bake a cake for birthday party for a gay person.

lgbt rights = bigotry
Then don't offer wedding cakes for sale. Easy solution.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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Then don't offer wedding cakes for sale. Easy solution.
so because you are a homo terrorist supporter all Jews who refuse to abandon Judaism and embrace homosexuality should be forbidden from selling a wedding cake. This is equivalent to middle ages Christians banning Jews from certain professions because they refused to abandon Judaism and embrace Christianity.

anyone who supports gay rights (forcing jews to violate Judaism) is a antisemite.

gay rights supporters are all bigots.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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so because you are a homo terrorist supporter all Jews who refuse to abandon Judaism and embrace homosexuality should be forbidden from selling a wedding cake. This is equivalent to middle ages Christians banning Jews from certain professions because they refused to abandon Judaism and embrace Christianity.

anyone who supports gay rights (forcing jews to violate Judaism) is a antisemite.

gay rights supporters are all bigots.
Nice personal attack.

Have a good day.
 
Old 01-23-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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But the baker at Azucar will not decorate any cake that has a hate message for ANYONE.
The baker at masterpiece will bake wedding cakes for couple A but not couple B based on their sexual orientation.

One does not offer a produce (cakes with a message of hate)
The other does offer a product (wedding cakes) but not for some people.
Again you are conflating "sexual orientation" of the customer with the purpose of the cake - to celebrate a same-sex "marriage." There is no allegations that the baker refused to sell to the customer based on "sexual orientation". How do you know that the baker ever refused to bake birthday cakes or sell bakery goods to anyone due to their "sexual orientation"??

There is a similar issue going on in WA State where a florist declined to provide flowers for a customer's same sex "marriage" ceremony. The customer had purchased flowers at the shop for over 9 years and the owner also employed gay/lesbian workers. The issue had to do with violation of the owner's religious freedom and nothing to do with the customer's activities in the bedroom.

Why should the baker or this florist be forced to choose between their constitutional right to freely exercise their religious beliefs or earning a livelihood, when the customer only has to choose a different baker or florist?
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