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Old 01-23-2015, 05:22 PM
 
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In some places during different periods of history the death of a monarch was significant (and much hoped for) because it usually meant significant policy changes (for the better). Not in the case of Saudi Arabia.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Ahh yeah. An individual that presides over a "kingdom" where beheadings, torture, and basic civil rights are denied. The same country where almost all of the 9-11 bombers came from and where their families still operate today. If it wasn't for his oil, and their agreement to support the petrodollar, the USA, and more importantly the completely sold out US media would be calling him a brutal dictator instead of king.
Not exactly. The new Saudi king has over 7,000 senior Saudi princes to account to and deal with, and there are another 10,000 other royalty beneath those seniors.

Some of the Saudi royalty don't interest themselves in government at all, while others make governing their lives. Theirs is a true kingdom and a true theocracy, just as England was. The English kings beheaded, tortured, and basic civil rights were whatever the king considered them to be.

He was answerable to only God. That's the way the Saudis are now.

You're absolutely correct in your abhorrence of the Saudi practice that was long ago abandoned by all the countries of Europe. Most of us feel exactly the same way. That doesn't mean that we should feel free to interfere, imposing our peculiarities on them, nor does it mean they are not dependable allies of ours in a region where we really need dependable allies.

We may see beheading as being gruesome because it's bloody. They see our method of execution, paralysizing the condemned so he cannot display anything while he's being slowly poisoned to death, but with very little blood or struggle, as being gruesome. Our execution method takes the condemned 15 minutes to die. Theirs takes 15 seconds.

The United States has those who are citizens who wish to destroy everything in the middle east. Theirs have individuals who want to destroy everything in the west. Both nations deal with their extremists in their own ways. Or not. We are as loathe to go after ours as they are theirs in many instances.

It's all in the difference between cultures. Money and mutual interest have always bound different nations together in alliances throughout history.
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Old 01-24-2015, 04:23 AM
 
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^ His regime is a brutal dictatorship. It now belongs to his brother. It's got nothing to do with culture.
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Old 01-24-2015, 07:05 AM
 
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Obama can't be bothered much with most things of importance, like the terrorists in Paris, but he has decided to travel to Saudi Arabia to attend the dictator's funeral to pay homage.
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Obama can't be bothered much with most things of importance, like the terrorists in Paris, but he has decided to travel to Saudi Arabia to attend the dictator's funeral to pay homage.


King Abdullah's funeral is over, genius - but we all understand your desperate need to partisanize everything.
Funeral of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah held in Riyadh

Did President Bush go to the UK when 50+ people were killed on buses by suicide bombers in London in 2005? No.

Did he go to Spain when 190+ people were killed on trais by suicide bombers in Madrid in 2004? No.

But he did visit Saudi Arabia multiple times.

Nor do I fault him for any of those things. But then, neither do you, as you wallow in your own hypocrisy. Grow up.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I always liked his chocolates
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Obama can't be bothered much with most things of importance, like the terrorists in Paris, but he has decided to travel to Saudi Arabia to attend the dictator's funeral to pay homage.
It's pageantry. Like W going to New Orleans to roll up his pnoto-op shirt sleeves and praise Brownie's heckuva job. Obama did not invent it.

One wonders how important it was for Obama to be in India in the first place, if he could just drop his crucial business there and fly to Saudi.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK/Swanage, UK
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All in the name of Oil: Flags at half mast and fawning praise for King Abdullah's death sparks backlash | Daily Mail Online

So this guy is responsible for mass murdering his people, flogging them, and leading a country where women have no rights and can be flogged by their husbands... Why are we even Allies with these people!! Oh yea, OIL, I forgot!
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Old 01-24-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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^ His regime is a brutal dictatorship. It now belongs to his brother. It's got nothing to do with culture.
The Saudis would beg to differ with you. They like their king just fine and dandy.
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Old 01-24-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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^ His regime is a brutal dictatorship.
That's what's needed over there to keep those people in check. As evil and brutal as it may be, it's much better than the alternative, e.g., ISIS or some other even more extremist group taking over.
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