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Old 02-11-2015, 10:46 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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I was reading that people have to submit to a breathalyzer if a cop pulls you over but, people don't have to submit to blood tests.
If you refuse the Intoxilyzer, a blood draw is the next step.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:50 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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Sure, tight-fisted central surveillance and control of what a person does in their own home to their own body along with seizure of assets and draconian incarcerations is clearly the way to go for freedom.
The problem with MJ legalization is that people don't stay home when they are impaired - they DWI, they work while impaired, etc.
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Old 02-12-2015, 05:41 AM
 
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You get stopped because of some type of impaired driving or vehicle code violation... and DUI is at minimum a misdemeanor crime in every state...it may be under the vehicle code or criminal code
During the contact the driver exhibits signs and symptoms of impairment... from mild to severe... it is the totality of the circumstances.. not any one sole factor
Driver smells like pot...for example.. red eyes.. bloodshot.. inability to concentrate during simple divided attention tasks.. the list can be subtle..
The test.. which you can refuse... with implications such as automatic one year suspension in California for refusing to submit..
A blood draw with five nanograms of THC in the blood being per se evidence of intoxication...
You could .. if you use heavy amounts of mj.. be over this amount many hours later... you might feel sober.. in reality .. just because you don't feel buzzed ... does not mean you should or can drive... tests done on this amount in the body have equated to being impaired
Yes, I know it can be done...I was asking you the procedure that was used in the cases in that town in California you cited. I asked you if they actually did break down the THC amounts in these cases or just go by the people having THC in their system in general, which still hasn't been answered.
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Old 02-12-2015, 05:43 AM
 
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The problem with MJ legalization is that people don't stay home when they are impaired - they DWI, they work while impaired, etc.
Source, since you are stating this as fact and not opinion? What your 19 year old buddies did doesn't count...
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:03 AM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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Source, since you are stating this as fact and not opinion? What your 19 year old buddies did doesn't count...
After my old truck was stolen, it was recovered when an officer suspected the driver of DWI. According to the report, the truck smelled like MJ and the driver (who was in his late 40s) had a warm pipe in the console.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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After my old truck was stolen, it was recovered when an officer suspected the driver of DWI. According to the report, the truck smelled like MJ and the driver (who was in his late 40s) had a warm pipe in the console.
I see. Yes, that is a good reason to incarcerate millions of responsible users.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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The problem with MJ legalization is that people don't stay home when they are impaired - they DWI, they work while impaired, etc.
"They"...being all? Some? I am sure that some do. I am not convinced it's a majority of users.

My own husband who is effectively medicating pain, among other things, with daily use, does not drive while under the influence. Ever.

One thing I've noticed is that bit where many drinkers feel somewhat invincible, and insist they are good to drive, I've never seen that with stoned people. Most people I've known would rather not drive if they are high. It's some combination of paranoia and laziness perhaps, or simply the absence of that belligerent, arrogant, top o' the world thing that drunks have going on.

And I would swear I have known some daily pot users who simply do not get high when they do it anymore. I know it will sound crazy to anyone who hasn't been there or seen it...but instead of a recreational inebriation, it's more like they have taken an antidepressent like a Prozac or something, a head-med. At that point they usually have a need for it just to maintain normalcy, although if they quit it's only a week or two of irritability before they even out. It's like when they smoke up, you would never even know they are under the influence of anything. I honestly question just how mentally impaired those users are, when under the influence. In fact I'd go so far as to say that they aren't as dangerous as a very stupid or very distracted (or both) sort of driver.

On the bright side, maybe one day our cars will drive themselves and we won't have to worry about it.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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The problem with MJ legalization is that people don't stay home when they are impaired - they DWI, they work while impaired, etc.
It's a good thing that never happens with booze or prescription drugs.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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After my old truck was stolen, it was recovered when an officer suspected the driver of DWI. According to the report, the truck smelled like MJ and the driver (who was in his late 40s) had a warm pipe in the console.
That story has nothing to do with the stats presented in the earlier post. No one is disputing some people drive under the influence of alcohol or my, the dispute was over supposed facts that since legalization people driving stoned have increased so much you were using it to argue against legalization.
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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Sure, tight-fisted central surveillance and control of what a person does in their own home to their own body along with seizure of assets and draconian incarcerations is clearly the way to go for freedom.
I am not totally sure what you mean here, so I will ask.

Is this meant for people having pot in their homes and smoking it in states where it is illegal?
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