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Old 01-24-2015, 07:48 PM
 
Location: La La Land
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Originally Posted by VA Yankee View Post
Lets stop and think for a moment.....

First the father is the one who chose to take this into cyberspace not the school or any reprehensive of that organization. Second just because the teacher is a substitute does not make them any less qualified to realize a child is eating garbage for lunch. There is no way of know if they spoke with anyone prior to sending the note or actually showed initiative to inform a parent that the lunch was not suitable for an 8 year old child. Calling the parent in for a conference is overkill for what is potentially a singular incident now if there is an on going issue then yes a face to face would be best.

Schools are in the spotlight for establishing good eating habits and are one of the first to be blamed for the obesity problems in this county. Please clarify for me which culture believe in eating the way this child was observed? I think the biggest joke is that this father is a doctor, chose to publish this on mass media and has basically whined like a five year old... Maybe this explains why his child acts as she does..
The father has established his pedigree as an idiot. That notwithstanding, yes, the fact that the teacher is a substitute is significant in that she knows nothing of the background of the child. You are missing the point that the "overkill" is the school insinuating itself into the student's personal life. Your bias is evident in your pronouncement that her lunch was "garbage". Who are you to judge what that child may or may not eat?

How does the mere fact that the press has decided to make schools the villains of child obesity legitimize the claim? I charge that the general low level of intelligence, lack of moral fiber, and susceptibility to consumerism on the part of the American population is the culprit. As a teacher with almost 30 years of experience I claim expert status on the issue.

I have observed students eat breakfasts ranging from fried chicken and orange soda to bacon, egg, and cheese sandwiches with hot chocolate, to bakery pastries. How many morning meetings begin with bagels and donuts? What makes waffles and eggs better than rice for breakfast? Are croissants healthy breakfast fare? Ever had Armenian Choreg? How about corned beef, grits and johnny cake from the Bahamas? Ever hear of a beignet? Or maple syrup? How about a good old English fry up?

I love American arrogance and ignorance. They make such an interesting blend. Like a 400 calorie coffee from Starbucks!

Also, see below.

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I've seen much worse lunches then this. Lunchables, for example are pretty disgusting. As are some of the meals served in the cafeteria. I know kids who survive on dairy and white carbs due to pickiness. The worst thing in this girl's lunch would be the marshmallows and we have no idea really how many she had and who cares anyway. That might be her one day of sweets for all we know. Four chocolate bars sounds bad but how big were they really? We don't know. Were they milk chocolate or dark chocolate? the latter can actually be healthy in small amounts. The darker, the better. A pickle isn't so bad. Neither are ham and cheese. Protein. I don't see why some people are freaking out about this one lunch.
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Old 01-24-2015, 07:50 PM
 
Location: La La Land
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growing up, i generally ate my fruits and veggies without complaining (other than brussel sprouts...i still can't stand those things), but my brother was the complete opposite. My mom would spend what felt like hours begging, pleading and threatening my brother to eat "just three bites" of his veggies.

If a parent knows that his child isn't going to eat an apple, then it's kind of pointless to put one in the lunch box. Food is too expensive to be thrown away. Plus, my brother was the type that wouldn't eat a thing if it wasn't what he wanted. I think it's better for the child to have ham, cheese, a pickle and a sweet treat than to not eat at all.

I would imagine that a physician -- who specializes in weight issues, no less -- ensures that his child consumes healthy food. When the kid's at school, though, it's out of the parent's control.

I think the teacher should have minded her own business.

I also think the father should have taken it up with the school rather than posting it online, but that's the world we live in nowadays.

yes!
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Care to explain what you mean?

Are you one of the parents that would make his child sit at the table until he ate everything on the plate whether he liked or wanted it or not?

I assume you think a child's lunch should never include dessert? The girl in the OP had already eaten the meat and cheese, by the way, and the chocolate was to be shared with her brother and a friend.
No, that's dumb.

I think it's pretty evident what I mean. I don't think I can make it any simpler without your specifically saying what you don't understand about it, sorry.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Another staff member came to her with this concern...in a case like that, she has to follow up on it. if it turned into something later she would have been crucified for ignoring it. All she did was send a note home, for goodness' sake. I see nothing in the slightest in the least bit offensive about the note she sent and to me it seems so trivial it boggles my mind they couldn't discuss and resolve it in any way but to take it to the 'net. It's stupid and attention-seeking and to me the very act of him doing this very extreme thing in response to a note removes all credibility from him, at least to me. It's a ridiculous over-reaction.
I agree. Especially considering it was a substitute teacher and not the regular classroom teacher.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Oh wow, some low-fat cheese and ham make it so much better.
WTF is this guy thinking?
Not thinking. The cheese, ham and pickle are all high sodium, add the high sugar content of the chocolate bars and the marshmallows and the guy is obviously not thinking or the kid is blackmailing him. 4 chocolate bars would be about 1,000 calories if full-size and if not, combined with the marshmallows.......... The joke really is the "low-fat" cheese. Maybe his daughter's diet is a science experiment for him. Maybe the guy thinks that eventually, if the child feels bad enough from what she is using that she will learn to make good choices about her diet?
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:42 PM
 
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I'm curious as to what perfect lunches people pack for their kids everyday? Please share.
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:42 PM
 
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Yes, stick to teaching. What should be happening is that guidance counselors, deans and administrators should get off their behinds and interact with students more. They have more time and resources to deal with non academic issues. Instead many sit in their offices and look for ways to abuse teachers. Also, many schools have School Based Support Teams that include psychiatrists and social workers. They are much better equipped to handle these matters. Another crew hiding in offices. The general public does not always understand the resources in a school. Everyone focuses on teachers to do EVERYTHING.
By the way, kids say a lot of things. Much of it is not always credible.



You are correct about blowing things out of proportion on the internet. However, a substitute teacher should really not be t he one to send notes home to due lack of familiarity with students' situations.
Also, the matter should have been referred to a guidance counselor or administrator and the parent called in for a discussion. Notes, texts, and emails can be impersonal and misinterpreted. Face to face conversations are more efficient and effective. Might also motivate everyone to be a little more attentive in an attempt to avoid the inconvenience of a meeting.

Also important to note here: The child HAD a lunch. There are many personal and cultural reasons for what children eat. THAT is why it is dangerous for schools to get TOO involved in personal matters. With the diversity present in schools, in both staff and students, there is a significant lack of knowledge and familiarity with each family's practices. It can lead to many wrong judgments and conclusions.
Okay, I can give you that and agree with you...she made a mistake. A cafeteria worker came to her with her concern and she did what she thought was best, and turned out she shouldn't have done it. Again, why the need to publicly shame her?? Why on earth should she feel shame for such a silly trivial issue? The note is very benign. Why so much anger directed at her here? Why not talk to her?

Again, because this dad IMO overreacted to such a ridiculous degree, his version of things holds no credibility to me. IMO if he cared about his child, he wouldn't be making this viral, it should have been dealt with privately and IMO the fact it wasn't says much more about his poor character than that note might reflect on that teacher, whether she was right or wrong to send it. IMO intentions matter, and again in this case I think she was trying to help.

I just don't get why this is inspiring such a "Grab your pitchforks!!" response from people.
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:43 PM
 
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Its sounds like a misunderstanding by the person writing hearing it from the person reporting it. Comforting to see this much to do about little gets headlines because of lack of real news.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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No, that's dumb.

I think it's pretty evident what I mean. I don't think I can make it any simpler without your specifically saying what you don't understand about it, sorry.
So I was a bad parent because I had a kid who would not eat vegetables because I did not somehow force him to and an adult son who does not like vegetables, either?

As best I can tell, that is what you mean. If I am wrong, please enlighten me.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Not thinking. The cheese, ham and pickle are all high sodium, add the high sugar content of the chocolate bars and the marshmallows and the guy is obviously not thinking or the kid is blackmailing him. 4 chocolate bars would be about 1,000 calories if full-size and if not, combined with the marshmallows.......... The joke really is the "low-fat" cheese. Maybe his daughter's diet is a science experiment for him. Maybe the guy thinks that eventually, if the child feels bad enough from what she is using that she will learn to make good choices about her diet?
It might help to have the facts about the lunch. There was not an entire bag of marshmallows; there were four. There were not four full size candy bars, there were three pieces of chocolate, only one of which was consumed by the girl at lunch. The other two were shared after school.

Teacher sends father a stern note scolding him for his daughter's 'unhealthy' pack lunch of 'chocolate, marshmallows, a cracker and a pickle' - unfortunately for the school, dad's a doctor | Daily Mail Online

" 'Unfortunately, the letter didn't have what she had, correctly. She had four pieces of ham, a whole protein meat, she also had some pickles, which we admittedly cheat on pickles every once and awhile as a vegetable, because some fights just aren't worth having,' said Dr. Puckett.

'She also had four marshmallows in a Ziploc bag and then she had three very small pieces of chocolate, of which she ate one for lunch and then she also gave her brother and another friend one at an after school program,' Puckett said to ABC 3."

Pictures with the link show four healthy appearing children, none of whom are fat.
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